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al yell

10-13-2009, 06:40 PM Post subject: KK OOP facing Flop 3bet

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Villain is 18/12, 15%3bet over 135 hands. My image is solid, I've been fairly tight except that on a couple other tables he's sitting to my immediate left and I've stolen his BB over half a dozen times without contest, except once, where he defended but folded to my dbl barrel.

- What kind of range should I be putting him on here?
- What options should I consider?

#13 No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed)

CO ($42.44)
Button ($33.71)
SB ($26.77)
BB ($24.90)
Hero (UTG) ($36.42)
MP ($14.58)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero bets $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.90) 3

, 6

, 4

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.17, 1 fold, Button raises $8, Hero ?

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littleogre

10-14-2009, 05:11 AM

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I'm sure someone who actually plays those stakes will come along shortly but until they do i will say that at my lower stakes this is usually a set+ or a str8 draw. Although you will sometimes see a maniac that thinks top pair on that board is the nuts. It would help if we knew how often button cold calls pf raises.

al yell

10-14-2009, 05:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

It would help if we knew how often button cold calls pf raises.

4% but tbh I have no idea how to interpret that.

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killnine

10-14-2009, 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by al yell

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleogre

It would help if we knew how often button cold calls pf raises.

4% but tbh I have no idea how to interpret that.

I'll have a go - might get it wrong completely so beware...

4% cold call pfr seems to me like he set-mines, maybe just with the medium to better pockets. I wouldn't put many more hands in a cold call range of 4%. Therefor, given the board and the line I think you're either beat by a set, or well ahead of someone protecting with 77-99, maybe TT.

I fold this, but that might be wrong depending on villain...

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10-14-2009, 11:33 AM

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Sample is small, but his high 3bet takes away a lot of possible weak overpairs and you´re repping so strong that he prob stays in line most of the time.

That being said it´s closer than I thought vs {33,44,55,66,65s,54s,65o,54o,TT,99} counting half the combos of 65o,54o and two combos of TT, 99 each it´s a flip. I call and re-eval turn

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BooG690

10-14-2009, 02:18 PM

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I don't think villain is reraising with 99-TT (though, OP, you would probaly know best). That being said, I gave villain a range of {66-33,75s,65s,54s} and we have 31.7% equity. By adding all 12 combos of two overpairs (let's say TT-99) we are even. Take that for what it's worth, but I really don't think he's reraising these overpairs much. I fold.

P.S. Not to nitpick, but this isn't a flop 3bet.

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al yell

10-14-2009, 05:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BooG690

P.S. Not to nitpick, but this isn't a flop 3bet.

Oh, what is it then, a raise? If I came over top of him would that be considered a 3bet?

-- -- --

Here's what I've gotten out of this:

Board: 3c 6s 4h

65.565% { KcKs }
34.435% { TT-66, 44-33 }

I have good equity, however, things to consider:
- I'm UTG cbetting into the field (i.e. strong range)
- Villain is likely a bit frustrated with me
- He should not expect me to fold an overpair
- His bet size indicates he's willing to stack off, imo

Therefore I almost always fold.

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spoonitnow

10-14-2009, 06:53 PM

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[ ] Flop 3bet

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10-14-2009, 07:14 PM

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If he's raising 77-TT, then he's spewing.

ColdDecked

10-14-2009, 08:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by al yell

Quote:

Originally Posted by BooG690

P.S. Not to nitpick, but this isn't a flop 3bet.

Oh, what is it then, a raise? If I came over top of him would that be considered a 3bet?

Yes, if you come over the top it'd be a 3 bet.

I'd usually flat this and re-eval turn. How aggro is he postflop? If he's been raising a lot (like with draws or tpgk etc), I think I'd click it back and get it in.

al yell

10-14-2009, 08:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdDecked

If he's been raising a lot (like with draws or tpgk etc), I think I'd click it back and get it in.

This hadn't been the case from what I'd observed.

Some additional stats on Villain:
AF 3.5
WWSF 48%
WTS 13%
W$SD 67%

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TheBowlBoy

10-14-2009, 08:42 PM

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The raise size looks so big, it seems odd for him to want raise this big on such a dry flop with a set. I think that this is going to be a pair + gutshot type hand a lot and possibly 2 pair. I probably get it in, but I'd like to know how often he raises flop cbets and how aggressive is he on the flop in general.

bjsaust

10-14-2009, 11:29 PM

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Seriously, you guys need to stop focusing on stats and start focusing on reads and gameplay...

btw, 3 bet is exactly what it sounds like:

1bet
2bet (raise)
3bet (reraise)

The reason you're confused is because pre-flop the blinds are considered a bet, so:

1bet (blinds)
2bet (raise)
3bet (reraise)

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shikushiku

10-19-2009, 12:22 AM

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i would give credit for a big hand nearly always here (unless guys a nut)

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