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martindcx1e
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05-02-2006, 07:38 PM
Post subject: KK & Not Raising for Info
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How many play it this way?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Button ($3.70)
SB ($15.30)
BB ($17.15)
UTG ($3.60)
UTG+1 ($12.40)
Hero ($9.60)
MP2 ($22.10)
MP3 ($31.75)
CO ($4.10)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K , K .
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.9, Hero raises to $3, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $2.10.
Flop: ($6.15) 5 , A, 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($6.15) 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1, Hero calls $1.
River: ($8.15) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1, Hero calls $1.
Final Pot: $10.15
Results below:
UTG+1 has Js Jd (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Kd Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $10.15.
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jackvance
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Heh, I do. You'll make more here from inducing (even little) bluffs imo. Ok I got the idea from gabe, but it seems to really work out better.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Rondavu
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I play it the same. You basically don't want to scare off anything you have beat, so that you have the right to pay off a hand that beats you sometimes.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Vrax
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What about raising the turn and checking behind the river? We get some value from flushdraw and raising discourages opponent from bluffing a busted draw. If he has an Ace, the loss is the same as loss by c-betting.
Thoughts?
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by Vrax
What about raising the turn and checking behind the river? We get some value from flushdraw and raising discourages opponent from bluffing a busted draw. If he has an Ace, the loss is the same as loss by c-betting.
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I agree with that if the opponent is passive enough, or is capable of checking a very strong hand into you on the river trying to "trap" like a moron.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Vrax
What about raising the turn and checking behind the river? We get some value from flushdraw and raising discourages opponent from bluffing a busted draw. If he has an Ace, the loss is the same as loss by c-betting.
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Given the PF action what hand could he have that gives him a flush draw?
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Vrax
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Vrax
What about raising the turn and checking behind the river? We get some value from flushdraw and raising discourages opponent from bluffing a busted draw. If he has an Ace, the loss is the same as loss by c-betting.
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Given the PF action what hand could he have that gives him a flush draw? |
Depends on opponent but honestly I misread HH and thought it was preflop "raise-call" not "raise-reraise-call". My bad, and it's slim chance that opponent is holding 2 clubs.
But still I'd pop it on turn and reduce my chances of facing something like 3.50 bet unless I have some reads on villain.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Vrax
But still I'd pop it on turn and reduce my chances of facing something like 3.50 bet unless I have some reads on villain.
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What's your plan if called?
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Vrax
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But still I'd pop it on turn and reduce my chances of facing something like 3.50 bet unless I have some reads on villain.
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What's your plan if called? |
Check behind the river unimproved. Facing wimpy weak turn bet + good position= little implied threat on river and insta-muck to any reasonable bet. If I improve, then of course I v-bet/raise the river.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Vrax
But still I'd pop it on turn and reduce my chances of facing something like 3.50 bet unless I have some reads on villain.
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What's your plan if called? |
Check behind the river unimproved. Facing wimpy weak turn bet + good position= little implied threat on river and insta-muck to any reasonable bet. If I improve, then of course I v-bet/raise the river. |
So why do you bet if you are most likely going into c/f mode if called or raised? Is it just cuz you're afraid of a decent river bet? I call $3.50 on the river in a heartbeat btw.
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Lukie
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You really have to bet the flop or the turn here IMO...
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Lukie
You really have to bet the flop or the turn here IMO...
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Why?
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bdawg56kg
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I think you played it fine, although I usually bet the flop everytime I 3-bet pf, just so I don't give any info away. Occasionally I check the flop and use your line.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Information/probe bet.If you're raised you can safely fold with no regrets(Erick Lindgren uses this to find out where he stands postflop).Checking down gives him the chance to bluff you out (say he has an unimproved QQ/JJ/TT/ or so).
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by WhooFleuryScores
Information/probe bet.If you're raised you can safely fold with no regrets(Erick Lindgren uses this to find out where he stands postflop).Checking down gives him the chance to bluff you out (say he has an unimproved QQ/JJ/TT/ or so). |
If his range is high pocket or AK (maybe AQ) then you most likely fold hands that are way behind and get action from AA,AK,AQ.
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