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Old 05-25-2009, 09:45 PM     Post subject: KK facing river shove (5nl) #1 (permalink)  
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Can't ever see me being ahead here .. am I right?

Standard raise, donk call from BB playing 32/3/0.2 over 35 hands (fish)

Decent flop although gay hands like 68, 78, 89, 810 well in this idiots range, however so are middle pairs, 99/1010/JJ even.

Turn bet for value - I was betting to give the flush the wrong odds, having seen the player check/call a fair bit flush draw is his most likely holding.

River I need to call $2.49 to win $6.91 and I think need to be right 36% of the time. I can't see it ever, his line looks like a set, eight or most likely flush.

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saw flop

BB ($4.69)
Hero (UTG) ($5.27)
MP ($8.35)
CO ($8.64)
Button ($8.38)
SB ($5.63)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
Hero bets $0.25, 4 folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.52) 8, 2, 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.42) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

River: ($4.42) 10 (2 players)
BB bets $2.49 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $4.42 | Rake: $0.20



I'll post this hand which I got into a mess with, villain in question is a maniac 64/41/1 over again 30 hands. I'd actually watched him and patiently waited for my spot to attack him and finally get one.

Preflop I'm giving him no respect if he's raising 41% - AQ is killing his range. I'd expect him to 4 bet QQ+, AK. Flop is good, yeah he's got 9s in his range but also a lot of other crap.

I don't like the turn shove looking back in PT .. all the draws come in and yet I shove it. I should stop and think about these spots more. Good/Bad?

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saw flop

CO ($6.69)
Hero (Button) ($6)
SB ($8.30)
BB ($8.59)
UTG ($8.38)
MP ($5.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A
1 fold, MP bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.90, 2 folds, MP calls $0.70, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.07) 9, Q, 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.70, MP calls $1.70

Turn: ($5.47) 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3.40 (All-In), MP calls $3.20 (All-In)

River: ($11.87) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $11.87 | Rake: $0.55
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:03 PM #2 (permalink)  
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You played the first one well, you read him correctly, bet the right amount on the turn, and folded when he made his hand. The second one is a little iffy. Pushing on the turn may have been a bad choice because Villain could have cought a flush or a strait on teh turn. Or, he may have been slow-playing trips. Best case scenario he has QK.
 
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:30 PM #3 (permalink)  
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hand 1 is a crying fold I think he has you beat 95% of the time
hand 2 is fine, it would be bad if you had money behind, but even if he has a draw he can't call the flop profitably even when you shove the turn when he makes it because any draw he's playing only a one card draw
he's not folding a queen...

now what you have to consider is whether he ever bluffs the river with a worse hand for $3.4 in a 5.47 pot when you check it back on the turn and whether giving one free card is worth catching a bluff
also you have to consider if he calls your shove with TT/JJ
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:16 AM #4 (permalink)  
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The second one is a little iffy. Pushing on the turn may have been a bad choice because Villain could have cought a flush or a strait on teh turn. Or, he may have been slow-playing trips. Best case scenario he has QK.
On the turn we are still beating hands like JQ, 10Q, 8Q, 1010, JJ, KQ even possible holdings such as A10, AJ, AK (unlikely he'd play that though) and we're splitting AQ - the river which makes all the 10 and J beat us is irrelevant at this stage.

IOPQ if we check turn and he bets give it up there and then? I'd add against normal sane players I wouldn't even consider checking to let them bluff the river but normally in those spots at this level I'd think he has it.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:16 PM #5 (permalink)  

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Move up these guys are way to unpredictable to say anything 'sane' lol
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