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salami1212
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07-26-2009, 04:34 PM
Post subject: KK all in preflop very unprofitable!
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Join Date: May 2009
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ok.. ive come to the conclusion that 10nl at stars, pushing KK preflop is very very unprofitable.. 5 times now its been aces who have been reraising me.. never again am i pushing KK pre flop.
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Gobbatino
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Great plan. Try limping in for set value.
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daven
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your conclusion is stupid
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nish81
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whats your sample of KKs pushed ai?
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JKDS
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Originally Posted by Gobbatino
Great plan. Try limping in for set value.
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lawl
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spoonitnow
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If that was true then you could 3-bet bluff any two cards against any opponent profitably since they would only stack off with Aces.
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killerkebab
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If all your opponents are only continuing preflop with aces, change your 3bet range to: {Not 22-KK}
Have fun.
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move up where they don't respect your raises
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salami1212
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Join Date: May 2009
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ok, well tourneys ill shove KK pre no doubt. but in cash games, i raise KK.. get reraised , then i raise again, and get re raised.. maybe i should know theyll have aces. thsi has happened 5 times since i played 10nl, 5nl i shoved KK and came up against a9 and qq .. maybe its just the sample size
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Originally Posted by salami1212
ok, well tourneys ill shove KK pre no doubt. but in cash games, i raise KK.. get reraised , then i raise again, and get re raised.. maybe i should know theyll have aces. thsi has happened 5 times since i played 10nl, 5nl i shoved KK and came up against a9 and qq .. maybe its just the sample size
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@ 2nl, you can probably get away with shoving here and becoming very profitable.
In fact, you're probably costing yourself money by re-raising such a small amount they can pop you back or fold.
also lol @ sample size.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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shoneec
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Based on what are you concluding this? Over a minor sample?
I got beaten today with KK AI PF vs. KQo where the guy hit a Q on the flop and then one on the river. Also got beaten by an AKo getting it in PF with KK where board got TJJ Q T. And should I stop pushing it in with KK beacuse of these situations? No obviously, because next time I face these types of situations I'll profit more than I'll lose.
You'd want to get it in with KK preflop almost every time you get them.
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r9453
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You really need to get HEM working again. In 6,370 hands (still not a big enough sample) I've never (afaik) had KK v AA. Once I had KK v KK.
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07-27-2009, 01:10 AM
Post subject: Re: KK all in preflop very unprofitable!
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#13 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by salami1212
5 times
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He said 5 times. 
Come back when you've been AI preflop with KK at least 100 times and I guarantee you'll be singing a different tune.
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Goober17
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well, I gotta tell a true story 'bout pocket K's: It all started in Las Vegas in 2006....a couple different forums that I have played with for years had our 1st anual get together & had our private tourney...final table, 4 left, I'm chip leader...UTG goes allin...I'm 2nd to act & I go allin w/KK....other 2 also call....hands are: 88, KK(me), J10 and last to act: AA...I go from chip leader to short stack & out next hand for 2nd place....BUT, ever since then I've been cursed if I get poc K's and everyone at these forums KNOW IT!!! It's a running joke to this day.... when someone gets their KK cracked, somebody will type in chat: "you got Goobered" (my ID is Goober @ these forums also)....and I STILL lose 70% with KK.....3 years later & it's still got me cursed!! 
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70%? 
Even against AA you will win 1/5 times. I know this is just a silly story but don't post statements that are mathematically false.
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your conclusion is stupid
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