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Danh Bai
Old 02-02-2009, 06:29 AM     Post subject: KK and AA hands full ring #1 (permalink)  
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These are actually from my first trip to a live casino, but I thought i'd get more replies here. All are full ring.

Hand 1:

Hero 300bb

Hero AA, raise to 8xbb
1 caller, Opp 250bb

flop: Qs 4s 2h

Opp goes All in
Hero?

Reads: opp is loose aggressive, calls every raise with atc and has sucked out on me twice alreaady with trash. He made exactly the same move two hands previous when I had TT and a flop of 3d 2d 8s. I decided to let that one go and folded.
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Hand 2

Hero AA 300 bb

Raise 6xbb, one caller
Opp 150bb

Flop 9c 9s 3d
Hero bets 1/2 pot
Opp calls
Turn Jh
Hero checks
Opp bets 3/4 pot
Hero calls
River 2 h
Hero checks, Opp all in
Hero??

Reads: Opp is solid
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Hand 3

Opp1 100 bb, raises 6xbb
Opp2 100 bb, calls
Hero KK 200bb, calls

flop 2s 4s 6d

Opp1 bets pot
Opp2 All in
Hero?

Reads: have seen opp2 move all in on draws before.

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Hnad 4

Opp 1(100 bb) raise 6xbb
Opp 2 (300 bb) call
Hero KJo (400 bb) call

Flop: Ks Jh 2s

Opp1 check, Opp2 bets pot, hero calls, Opp 1 folds

Turn: 2d

Opp2 bets half pot
Hero?

Reads: this is the first hand opp2 has played in 30 mins, my plan is to play this hand for 2 pair or better.

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kb coolman
Old 02-02-2009, 01:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Snap call.

Hand 2: Your 1/2 pot flop bet is weak. He shoves on the river with 90BB? Given stack sizes, easy call.

Hand 3: Re-raise PF to 24BB, snap call the chaser.

Hand 4: 3bet this villian...he's weak/tight if this turn helped him at all. You have top two, and he'll likely fold like a lawn chair. You can fold if he plays back at you.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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what's the guy's range in hand 1?

QQ+, 44, 22, As2s,As5s,As3s now I wouldn't put Q4 and Q2 in this range, but it could be there if he really calls raises ATC
and flush draws
he could have a lot of flush draws that he'd shove since he's aggressive
so if we add say As8s, As7s, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s you have the odds to call
if he ever does this with something like 35o it's a good call to make
and if he ever does this as a stone-cold bluff then that's just pure profit over his value/semibluff range

basically against very aggressive opponents it's hard to lay this hand down

hand 2 I fold because he played it like trips so his range is probably Jx and 9x, and JJ+,33
given he called the flop bet and didn't reraise you pf it's really hard to put him on JJ+ unless he's a nit
I think you get shown a nine here a lot in live play because people don't bet that thinly, you'll see a lot of the time a jack check it down afraid that YOU'RE slowplaying trips

hand 3 3b pf, call as played if he has a set/straight it's a hudge cooler
hand 4 I raise the frop, as played I call the turn he could have AK or KK+,JJ but hopefully his range also includes KQ
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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what's the guy's range in hand 1?

QQ+, 44, 22, As2s,As5s,As3s now I wouldn't put Q4 and Q2 in this range, but it could be there if he really calls raises ATC
He's in every hand no matter what, raised or unraised ATC. And I found that to be the case a lot with live, that there was always a guy with deepstacks that was in every hand to see if he could hit lucky. So do I wanna risk my whole stack of 3 buyins with just a pair, even if it is AA? This guy could easily have hit 2 pai with rags. Aren't i better to lay it down and wait for something stronger where i'm prety sure i'm ahead?
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:49 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 3: Re-raise PF to 24BB, snap call the chaser.
Something I've always wondered about this... when you re-raise pre-flop, aren't you basically announcing that you have AA, KK or maybe AK?
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what's the guy's range in hand 1?

QQ+, 44, 22, As2s,As5s,As3s now I wouldn't put Q4 and Q2 in this range, but it could be there if he really calls raises ATC
He's in every hand no matter what, raised or unraised ATC. And I found that to be the case a lot with live, that there was always a guy with deepstacks that was in every hand to see if he could hit lucky. So do I wanna risk my whole stack of 3 buyins with just a pair, even if it is AA? This guy could easily have hit 2 pai with rags. Aren't i better to lay it down and wait for something stronger where i'm prety sure i'm ahead?
Well, you only need to be ahead more than half of the time to make the call and have it be EV (even slightly below half is good enough)
it's perfectly fine to lose a large pot... as long as you're getting your money in good
and he might have a decent hand like KK that he thinks is ahead
I've seen people openshove the flop with KK in a raised pot for no reason other than "omg there is no ace on the flop, all in"

then there's hands like AQ which he might be ecstatic to see since TPTK is often a stack off hand in live games
sure, he'll have two pair some times
but you only care if you're good enough times for your call to be profitable

and if he has no pair he's drawing to runner runner cards
but if he has Q2 you have some outs like a 4 or an ace or runner runner paired cards
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Hand 3: Re-raise PF to 24BB, snap call the chaser.
Something I've always wondered about this... when you re-raise pre-flop, aren't you basically announcing that you have AA, KK or maybe AK?
No, because you should be 3b QQ, JJ and sometimes TT in live games and AQs sometimes too since people don't fold when you 3b
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