KJs overs + backdoor with reg b vs b

**daven** · 06-24-2012 05:44 AM

old hand vs the reg from this hand

16-16-7 south american pro over >1k sample. He doesn't call preflop. Steal is 60%ish, and folds to 3b a lot so 3b pre is obviously also profitable. He c-bets 65%, turn cbet a little lower but not much, folds to c-bet raise 80%. He sees me as 21-16-5, maybe a little callier but unlikely cos he won't start tables with me any more. We have history 25nl-100nl, he's winning at 25 and 50.

He thinks i splash, call too much, bluff but probably not that intelligently, and like to pour chips into the middle asap with big hands.

not sure if it's fancy, but the hand did make me think on review
i call flop cos i think anything else is bad here ?

Originally Posted by d0zer

Get fancy with the regs and post those hands, that will be far more interesting

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($29.21) 117bb
UTG+1 ($32.33) 129bb
MP1 ($33.93) 136bb
MP2 ($25.35) 101bb
CO ($27.82) 111bb
BTN ($24.86) 99bb
SB ($25) 100bb
daven (BB) ($25.64) 103bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) daven is BB

6 folds, SB raises to $0.75, daven calls $0.50

Flop:

($1.50, 2 players)
SB bets $1, daven calls $1

Turn:

($3.50, 2 players)
SB bets $3, daven raises to $7.10 ...

**kickass** · 06-24-2012 05:03 PM

What's he meant to fold? Whats your river plans? I think this particular turn is terrible to bluff on it hits nobody.

**The Bean Counter** · 06-24-2012 06:03 PM

Flop call seems fine as we have equity and villain is presumably cbetting nearly 100% of his opening range bvb.

I'm not sure what you are credibly representing on the turn. Granted, villain is likely double barrelling air but that flop and turn hit neither of you. What is your plan for the river if the turn semi bluff doesn't get through?

**d0zer** · 06-24-2012 09:32 PM

call turn, especially when he bets so big

**Fnord** · 06-25-2012 12:54 AM

I like it. You're both sooo FoS here though....

**dranger7070** · 06-25-2012 07:12 AM

I'd rather float again w/ our added equity and attempt to steal it away w/ a river raise or bet than random turn raise.

**daven** · 06-27-2012 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by kickass

What's he meant to fold? Whats your river plans? I think this particular turn is terrible to bluff on it hits nobody.

can i have sets/two pair here? a lot of regs start sweating when turn comes a flush draw cos they're ridiculous, and as a result they raise nuts on such turns without considering that backdoor flush draws are a tiny part of villain's range when they cbet and barrel dry spots. I'm hoping he folds pretty much everything, my river plan is that he folds the turn and when he calls i have at least 12 outs most of the time. Is it better than calling? dunno, hence the post

**rpm** · 06-28-2012 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by daven

my river plan is that he folds the turn

thanks for the laugh

06-24-2012 05:44 AM #1
daven View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message trolling freetrollers Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 7,098 Location soaking up ethanol, moving on up	KJs overs + backdoor with reg b vs b old hand vs the reg from this hand 16-16-7 south american pro over >1k sample. He doesn't call preflop. Steal is 60%ish, and folds to 3b a lot so 3b pre is obviously also profitable. He c-bets 65%, turn cbet a little lower but not much, folds to c-bet raise 80%. He sees me as 21-16-5, maybe a little callier but unlikely cos he won't start tables with me any more. We have history 25nl-100nl, he's winning at 25 and 50. He thinks i splash, call too much, bluff but probably not that intelligently, and like to pour chips into the middle asap with big hands. not sure if it's fancy, but the hand did make me think on review i call flop cos i think anything else is bad here ? Originally Posted by d0zer Get fancy with the regs and post those hands, that will be far more interesting $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem 8 Players Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com Stacks: UTG ($29.21) 117bb UTG+1 ($32.33) 129bb MP1 ($33.93) 136bb MP2 ($25.35) 101bb CO ($27.82) 111bb BTN ($24.86) 99bb SB ($25) 100bb daven (BB) ($25.64) 103bb Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) daven is BB 6 folds, SB raises to $0.75, daven calls $0.50 Flop: ($1.50, 2 players) SB bets $1, daven calls $1 Turn: ($3.50, 2 players) SB bets $3, daven raises to $7.10 ...
	don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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06-24-2012 05:03 PM #2
kickass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 887 Location St. Shawshanks Infant School	What's he meant to fold? Whats your river plans? I think this particular turn is terrible to bluff on it hits nobody.
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06-24-2012 06:03 PM #3
The Bean Counter View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2011 Posts 331	Flop call seems fine as we have equity and villain is presumably cbetting nearly 100% of his opening range bvb. I'm not sure what you are credibly representing on the turn. Granted, villain is likely double barrelling air but that flop and turn hit neither of you. What is your plan for the river if the turn semi bluff doesn't get through?

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06-24-2012 09:32 PM #4
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,228	call turn, especially when he bets so big

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06-25-2012 12:54 AM #5
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	I like it. You're both sooo FoS here though....
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06-25-2012 07:12 AM #6
dranger7070 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2008 Posts 4,080 Location Butnaahhhhhh	I'd rather float again w/ our added equity and attempt to steal it away w/ a river raise or bet than random turn raise.

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06-27-2012 11:26 PM #7
daven View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message trolling freetrollers Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 7,098 Location soaking up ethanol, moving on up	Originally Posted by kickass What's he meant to fold? Whats your river plans? I think this particular turn is terrible to bluff on it hits nobody. can i have sets/two pair here? a lot of regs start sweating when turn comes a flush draw cos they're ridiculous, and as a result they raise nuts on such turns without considering that backdoor flush draws are a tiny part of villain's range when they cbet and barrel dry spots. I'm hoping he folds pretty much everything, my river plan is that he folds the turn and when he calls i have at least 12 outs most of the time. Is it better than calling? dunno, hence the post
	don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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06-28-2012 12:52 AM #8
rpm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 2,845 Location maaaaaaaaaaate	Originally Posted by daven my river plan is that he folds the turn thanks for the laugh

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