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machine1984
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04-11-2009, 05:39 PM
Post subject: KJ flop line
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 26
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$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Stacks:
UTG ($5.46)
Hero (CO) ($5.97)
BTN ($4.50)
SB ($2.58)
BB ($4.74)
Pre-flop: ($0.07, 5 players) Hero is CO  
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.22, BTN calls $0.22, 2 folds, UTG folds
Flop:    ($0.56, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.39, BTN raises to $1.06, $0.67 to Hero ($5.36)?
56/7/1.9 over 102 hands
also had a fold to cbet of 75%
Arguements for b3b? arguements agaisnt?
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argument against b/3b - you have no reads
I either fold or call to keep worse hands in/bluffing at you/trying to get value
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,072
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Originally Posted by iopq
argument against b/3b - you have no reads
I either fold or call to keep worse hands in/bluffing at you/trying to get value
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3betting just ensures you're crushed by his range
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Carroters
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Da Amberlamps
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Meh I'd just fold. Villain looks reasonably passive and I'd usually expect him to take a more passive line with a draw. Defo don't bet 3 bet, as only better hands/hands with good equity will call.
I'd say his range is mostly sets and better Ks. I don't call flop because I really don't wanna c/c a turn and there aren't many good turn cards for us.
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machine1984
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 26
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He is playing 56 vpp and 1.9 thats not passive in my book. Thats like 4 aggro at 28 vpp. Also do u guys not think his stats are a read that he is pretty bad and is probably overvalueing his hands?
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Meh I'd just fold. Villain looks reasonably passive and I'd usually expect him to take a more passive line with a draw. Defo don't bet 3 bet, as only better hands/hands with good equity will call.
I'd say his range is mostly sets and better Ks. I don't call flop because I really don't wanna c/c a turn and there aren't many good turn cards for us.
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sometimes I c/c here and c/c any turn and villain shows up with JT on the river and I go ????
that's why it's very important to see if villains are familiar with the concept "turning hands into a bluff" or not
that's the most important read you can have on an opponent
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machine1984
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Essex, UK
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I think at this lmit this player probably doesnt know the concept of poker. I mean i think AJ is a ship prob and QJ is a fold/re-evaluate, i just thought KJ was marginal like are JT/QJ in his range from these stats? I also like ebtting alot more than c/c cause there is deffo 3 streets here if he doesnt raise imo agaisnt this palyer
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Originally Posted by machine1984
I think at this lmit this player probably doesnt know the concept of poker. I mean i think AJ is a ship prob and QJ is a fold/re-evaluate, i just thought KJ was marginal like are JT/QJ in his range from these stats? I also like ebtting alot more than c/c cause there is deffo 3 streets here if he doesnt raise imo agaisnt this palyer
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well there's also the fact that fish are sometimes so passive that getting raised is an instafold without the nuts
the thing is you didn't specify any reads so it's hard to tell
AJ is not an automatic ship
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littleogre
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
argument against b/3b - you have no reads
I either fold or call to keep worse hands in/bluffing at you/trying to get value
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Ok i confess that i don't know which is better long term but i think a call or raise are both +ev. A fold might even be good if you know fish is particularly passive. Personally i would fold or raise? I just hate the idea of giving him a free card on a draw heavy board. Plus at micro stakes people don't second barrel bluff enough often to get tricky and induce imho. They will on the other hand make plenty bad calls and chase a lot.
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