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Dunk

04-21-2005, 11:52 AM Post subject: Kill Pots - need further clarification

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So I've read the definition but I'm not real sure I understand. Let me see if I got it right.

Context:
Comment that the 5/10 NL tables at Foxwoods have a Kill Pot.

Okay, so this means that if I win two pots in a row (even if it's just stealing the blinds), I am required to put a blind in on the next pot that is twice the big blind (or 1BB in FTR terminology).

Am I right or missing it?

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marctg

04-21-2005, 12:25 PM

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If the pot reaches a certian amount (usually 30xBB), the next hand is played for double the stakes (5-10 is now played as 10-20). Also if a player wins two hands in a row it is a kill. There must be a flop to have a winning hand qualify.

When it is a kill, the small blind and big blind are the same (for 5-10, SB=2, BB=5) but the player that killed the pot posts an additonal "bigger" blind. For example, in a 5-10 game, SB=2, BB=5 and the player that killed posts 10 and the game is played as 10-20 until the player losses a hand.

Hope that helps out a little. I have not noticed many kill games on-line. I know the UB has a few of the running but not sure about other sites.

Dunk

04-21-2005, 12:50 PM

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Hmm. I know that some players (including Doyle Brunson) believe in "rushes" of luck. For those people, and others that just like being the table boss, it seems like this would actually be beneficial.

Win two pots and then see if you can intimidate people into giving you one or two more pots at even higher stakes until you get a hand you really can't dare take any farther...

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hagakure

04-21-2005, 02:56 PM

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Personally I think it's a horrible idea. Poker has been played in many variations for a very, very long time. Regardless of what variation it was, there was always the concept of someone winning an amount of money after a round of play. I doubt there were very many saloons in the American west in the 1800's that had kill pots. People inject modern crap like this and live straddling into the game and ruin it for the traditionalists.

marctg

04-21-2005, 03:46 PM

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I agree with you. It seems like the only thing it benifits is the rake. I see no benefit to the players.

Legendash

04-21-2005, 08:00 PM

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And texas holdem is soooo traditional!

What happened to 5 card stud and 5 card draw, not much of them online. And stripped decks, that would be fun.

See here http://www.thepokerclub.com/articles/texas_holdem.php

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hagakure

04-21-2005, 08:27 PM

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I didn't say texas holdem was traditional. If you would please read my post again, you will see that I simply said poker has been played in many variations for a long time.

As a matter of fact, if you read the article you linked in your post, you would see that holdem is quite traditional. A game that was first played in the early 1900's is pretty damn traditional for me.

Were you intentionally trying to contradict yourself?

koolmoe

04-21-2005, 08:40 PM

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Kill pots help loosen up the game. When a player must involuntarily put in 2 small bets preflop, his opponents may decide to loosen their starting hand requirements at the prospect of playing against two random cards for a big pot. This is a mistake, since it also costs more to enter a kill pot. The kill gives the illusion that you are entering a 3.5 SB pot for 1 SB, but in reality you're entering a 1.75 SB pot for 1 SB.

Consider this: the kill player is essentially posting the BB, and the BB is essentially posting the SB. However, the player holding the kill puck will often have good position. For a player with good postflop skills, a kill game against weak opponents can be very profitable.

Humphrind

04-22-2005, 02:27 AM

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Great point, koolmoe.

I'd also like to add that kill pots are rarely, if ever, played in no limit. I like the variety of a kill game. But that is simply to mix my 1/2 game up to a 2/4 (or whatever I am playing that session)

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.

ChezJ

04-22-2005, 05:31 AM

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at arizona casinos, the kill pot tables work as follows:

the kill button is placed in the pot with the green side up ("LEG").

whoever wins the next hand gets the "LEG" button. but if there was no flop, or a split pot, then the "LEG" goes back in the middle.

if the player with the "LEG" wins the very next hand, AND the pot is at least 5XBB ($30 at a $3/$6 table), then the button is turned to the red "KILL" side. the next hand is played at double stakes ($3/$6 --> $6/$12).

the player with the kill button must post a double-sized blind bet (e.g. $6). the small and big blinds are posted as usual. betting begins with the UTG player as usual and skips the person with the kill button. anyone who wants to play must call or raise in double-bet increments (e.g. call $6, raise to $12). the kill button player gets to act last pre-flop and has the option to raise. raising caps at four times the double-sized bet (e.g. $24).

post-flop betting proceeds in normal order with double-sized bets ($6 and $12 at a $3/$6 table). if the same player wins, the red "KILL" is retained, he posts another double-bet blind, and the next hand is played at $6/$12 again.

at ultimatebet, there are kill tables and they work pretty much the same. there is a gray and white "K" button (the leg) that turns into a black "K" button if the the same player wins two hands in a row (post-flop) and the second pot is 5XBB in size. however, at UB the player with the kill button acts in normal order pre-flop, not last.

ChezJ

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