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philly and the phanatics
Old 09-13-2010, 09:06 PM     Post subject: khigh flush 10nl #1 (permalink)  
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UTG ($12.40)
UTG+1 ($3.50)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($9.50)
MP3 ($11.21)
Hero (CO) ($19.11)
Button ($7.02)
SB ($15.08)
BB ($14.28)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, K
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.50, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15) 6, 6, 4 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.70, MP3 calls $0.70

Villains calling range- Clubs, 57s, 22-JJ, A4s, 54s, a6s, 67s, 56s

Turn: ($2.55) 9 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $1.90, MP3 calls $1.90

turn calling range- 77 88 99 TT, JJ, 55 4x, 6x, clubs, 57s

River: ($6.35) 8 (2 players)
MP3 bets $6.35, Hero calls $6.35

Total pot: $19.05 | Rake: $1.27



Villain is 19/6 over 60 hands...0/1 fold to cbet

obv on flop and turn im happy with play, reason i bet so small on flop is i wasnt really trying to do it for value, i more wanted to scoop the dead money/deny equity share/ect and i figured id probably be behind if i was called on the flop (the majority of his flush draws are Ax which i am still behind)...on the turn, great i hit TP, now i beat 88, 77, 4x 55 ect and i am being all flush draws, so obviously the turn is a value bet....River is lame

I give him a range of

99-88,66,44,AcQc,AcJc,AcTc,Ac8c,Ac7c,Ac5c,QcJc,QcTc,J cTc,75s then i only have 33% equity (only just a call)...if i dont include 75s i have 23%, if i do include 75s, i should probably include 64s in which case i have 30% equity and its still a fold :-/....if i throw in stuff like A6, JJ TT, 56, 76 and the like then obviously i can profitably call.

what do you guys think
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:38 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:55 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 If he's calling 75s PF why is he not calling JTs, QJs, QTs, J9s, etc.. which prob also call flop and turn bets with a flopped FD.

Usually the c/c, c/c, donk large is a big hand when a fish takes this line. I still expect him to take this line with a flush even though the board is paired and when he bets this large on river I don't expect him to fold ever.

I think we're ahead here often enough to shove for value.
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:59 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 whoops missed that last part where you gave a river range.

You don't think he'd raise AQs, AJs PF? Also I think he might take this line with trips.
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Old 09-14-2010, 03:04 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Op has all those cards in the range with the exception of j9s because hero is holding 9c. I really disagree with shoving here tho because villains range doesnt contain any very strong hands we beat except for his lower flushes. Because there are more ace high flushes than lower flushes in his range i feel shoving would be -ev.

Also i call because its so close that the times villain shows up with a random bluff will make up for our losses. This may not happen all the time, but with only 60 hands on the villain these randoms do make up some portion of the range.


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If he's calling 75s PF why is he not calling JTs, QJs, QTs, J9s, etc.. which prob also call flop and turn bets with a flopped FD.
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Usually the c/c, c/c, donk large is a big hand when a fish takes this line. I still expect him to take this line with a flush even though the board is paired and when he bets this large on river I don't expect him to fold ever.

I think we're ahead here often enough to shove for value.
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