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argash

10-16-2009, 02:35 PM Post subject: Just started multi-tabling last night.

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So last night I started multi-tabling for the first time and I almost blew it a few times, thank fully only one hand resulted in lost $$ and I was able to spot the problem in time to prevent a bad shove. So is there a trick to spotting these traps while multi-tabling? Just vigilance?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($2.13)
UTG+1 ($1.46)
MP1 ($2)
MP2 ($0.98)
CO ($1.81)
Hero (Button) ($2.07)
SB ($1.98)
BB ($1.39)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, J

1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.04, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.43) 10

, 7

, Q

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.43, Hero calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.29) 8

(2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.83 (All-In), Hero calls $0.83

River: ($2.95) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $2.95 | Rake: $0.19

Results below:
Hero had A

, J

(straight, Queen high).
UTG+1 had Q

, Q

(three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $2.76

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Button ($0.87)
SB ($2)
BB ($3.78)
Villian (UTG) ($1.63)
MP ($3.04)
Hero (CO) ($3.29)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, J

Villian bets $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06, Button calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.21) J

, 5

, 9

(3 players)
Villian bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Villian calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.81) 5

(2 players)
Villian checks, Hero bets $0.35, Villian calls $0.35

River: ($1.51) 7

(2 players)
Villian checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.51 | Rake: $0.10

Results below:
Villian had K

, K

(two pair, Kings and fives).
Hero had Q

, J

(two pair, Jacks and fives).
Outcome: Villian won $1.41

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thedarwinfish

10-16-2009, 02:51 PM

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I've run into your 2nd hand A LOT in the last couple days. Two or three times when I have a mid-pair 9s-Js and the board is all lower cards but villain has a higher pair Qs-As.

I think a win at that point is just losing as little as possible.

Personally, I'm a bit nitty and may've let QJo go to an UTG raise, but that's also table/player dependent.

How many tables are you playing? I'm currently only 2-tabling. First, I play on my notebook which has a large screen but being a widescreen can only really fit two windows in comfortably.

I play 6-max, too. So with too many tables running I feel like I'm just playing whack-a-mole and can't keep up.

Pick a number of tables that you feel you can accurately keep notes on and be somewhat cognizant of the doings that are transpiring. If that's two tables, so be it. Master two, then when that's old hat, try more.

That's my $.02 by I'm a pretty huge noob so....

JKDS

10-16-2009, 04:22 PM

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you made alot of pretty bad mistakes in these hands. if its anywhere near typical of your playstyle, i would highly suggest minimizing the number of tables you play.

a golden rule to think about

when you raise/bet, you want one of three things
1) worse hands, equity wise, to put more money in (betting for value)
2) better hands, equity wise, to gtfo. (betting as a bluff)
3) protection (rare case)

then you can size your bets based on the desired effect.

ok example time.

which of the three, if any, does your flop raise in hand two accomplish?

and now for something completely different...ok well not completely different.

read this: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...t=calculations

ok example time number 2

in hand 1, how often does utg need to be full of shit in order to justify calling this bet on the turn?

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Sasquach991

10-16-2009, 04:55 PM

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Practice multitabling by adding a play money game first until you get comfy.

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Pelion

10-16-2009, 05:08 PM

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Are you a winning player so far? You dont look ready to multitable to me.

Hand 1: Preflop is dubious. Postflop is horrible. Calling off a stack with a gutshot is not a winning play.

Hand 2: Fold preflop. What is your flop raise for? What worse hands does he call with? What better hands does he fold? Same question on the turn. What better hands does he fold? What worse hands does he call with? If the answer to both of these questions is "none" youre doing it wrong. Good check behind on the river :P.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

argash

10-16-2009, 05:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thedarwinfish

How many tables are you playing? I'm currently only 2-tabling. First, I play on my notebook which has a large screen but being a widescreen can only really fit two windows in comfortably.

I play 6-max, too. So with too many tables running I feel like I'm just playing whack-a-mole and can't keep up.

Pick a number of tables that you feel you can accurately keep notes on and be somewhat cognizant of the doings that are transpiring. If that's two tables, so be it. Master two, then when that's old hat, try more.

That's my $.02 by I'm a pretty huge noob so....

I went with 4, I'm running at 1440x900 on a 15" screen so it is a bit tight. I immediately noticed it made me play much faster (which I think is why I ended up getting sucked into hand 1 up there). But it also helped with my patience level.

Overall I finished up 1-2 buy-ins on each table, on one I was even up 3 buy-ins.

Pelion

10-16-2009, 05:24 PM

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Dont jump from 0 -> 4 tables. Add one tables at first. Get comfortable with it. Then add another and get confortable. I doubt youll be able to cope with 4 right away and still be able to keep track of things.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

argash

10-16-2009, 05:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

Poker Orifice

10-16-2009, 06:04 PM

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These were my two and only bad hands of the night. Every other hand I played very well. Hand 1 there was no excuse for I just totally blew it. Hand 2 I think I caught in time and ended losing the least amount possible.[/quote]
"losing the least amount possible".... not sure how you figure this???.... you raised here on the flop.

I haven't followed any of your other posts but I'd suggest to not play anymore than 2 tables at a time,.... and work on 'knowing why you're betting'.

"SEIBORG"

Keith

10-16-2009, 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by "argash

These were my two and only bad hands of the night. Every other hand I think I played very well. Hand 1 there was no excuse for I just totally blew it. Hand 2 I think I caught in time and ended losing the least amount possible.

What do you mean by caught just in time? Caught it on the flop , doesn't look like it .What happens if villain has JJ , AJ,KJ,QQ,KK,AA.
caught it on the turn. He's called your flop reraise , hows the 5 going to help your hand and hows it going to help villains hand? if you bet hes likely to call this bet as well.

Out of interest did you make any notes about this villain and if so what were they?

argash

10-16-2009, 06:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Quote:

Originally Posted by argash

My notes on the villain in hand 2 (who left after this hand) Include:
Raised 3 bets UTG with A6s
Raised 4 bets MP1 with JTo

I think with what I had seen at that point it was safe to assume I was way ahead on the flop. I could see slowing down on the turn but with this player that would be 50-50 as far as I can see. The fact that he called my turn bet definitely told me something was up thus my check on the river.

tomato paste carnage

10-16-2009, 07:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Every other hand I played very well

There's a difference between playing very well and coming out of a session with a couple of buy-ins.

argash

10-16-2009, 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tomato paste carnage

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

Every other hand I played very well

There's a difference between playing very well and coming out of a session with a couple of buy-ins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by argash

Overall I finished up 1-2 buy-ins on each table, on one I was even up 3 buy-ins.

Pelion

10-16-2009, 07:43 PM

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I think his point is you cant necessarily judge your performance on your results over a small sample size of hands. Thats especially true when one of the hands you posted is a 150bb suckout where you didnt have odds to call. But anyway, everyone makes mistakes from time to time. Hopefully you learn from it and dont end up paying it back.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

argash

10-16-2009, 07:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

If you'd like I can post some of my winning hands so you can analyze those. I'm sure I didn't maximize value in most cases.

argash

10-16-2009, 08:37 PM

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This is the only other 5 hands I played in the 60 minute session. (There were others but they were like AA KK QQ and my 0.06 raises went uncalled)

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($1.42)
MP2 ($2.30)
MP3 ($2.16)
CO ($2)
Hero (Button) ($3.12)
SB ($1)
Villian (BB) ($3.72)
UTG ($3.15)
UTG+1 ($1.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, J

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, MP3 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.12, 1 fold, Villian calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.41) 9

, 10

, K

(3 players)
Villian bets $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.61) 5

(2 players)
Villian bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

River: ($1.33) 6

(2 players)
Villian bets $1.33, Hero raises to $2.54 (All-In), Villian calls $1.21

Total pot: $6.41 | Rake: $0.42

Results below:
Hero had Q

, J

(straight, King high).
Villian had J

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $5.99

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SB ($1.29)
BB ($0.64)
UTG ($2)
Hero (MP1) ($5.92)
MP2 ($0.85)
CO ($3.89)
Villian (Button) ($1.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2

, 2

1 fold, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, Villian bets $0.06, 1 fold, BB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.21) 9

, 2

, 10

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Villian checks

Turn: ($0.21) 4

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, Villian calls $0.20, 1 fold

River: ($0.61) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, Villian calls $0.30

Total pot: $1.21 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:
Villian had 9

, Q

(one pair, nines).
Hero had 2

, 2

(three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Hero won $1.13

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CO ($0.84)
Hero (Button) ($1.97)
SB ($0.87)
BB ($0.80)
UTG ($0.71)
Villian (UTG+1) ($0.82)
MP1 ($0.64)
MP2 ($1.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

1 fold, Villian bets $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Villian raises to $0.82 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $0.52

Flop: ($1.77) 7

, K

, 8

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($1.77) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1.77) K

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.77 | Rake: $0.11

Results below:
Hero had A

, K

(three of a kind, Kings).
Villian had 6

, 6

(two pair, Kings and sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $1.66

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SB ($0.88)
Hero (BB) ($2.10)
UTG ($2.31)
MP1 ($2.57)
MP2 ($2.54)
Villian (CO) ($1.92)
Button ($0.83)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, Q

1 fold, MP1 bets $0.07, 1 fold, Villian raises to $0.22, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.67) Q

, 10

, 6

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Villian bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1.70, 1 fold, Villian calls $1.20 (All-In)

Turn: ($4.07) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($4.07) 7

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $4.07 | Rake: $0.27

Results below:
Hero had A

, Q

(two pair, Queens and sixes).
Villian had K

, A

(one pair, sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $3.80

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SB ($0.95)
BB ($2.02)
UTG ($3.80)
Villian (MP1) ($2.76)
MP2 ($1.63)
CO ($3.04)
Hero (Button) ($1.67)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

1 fold, UTG calls $0.02, Villian calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.10, 2 folds, Villian calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.24) 9

, 4

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.11, Villian raises to $0.34, Hero calls $0.23

Turn: ($0.92) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villian bets $2.32 (All-In), Hero calls $1.23 (All-In)

River: ($3.38) 8

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $3.38 | Rake: $0.22

Results below:
Hero had A

, K

(two pair, Aces and nines).
Villian had K

, 10

(one pair, nines).
Outcome: Hero won $3.16

Keith

10-16-2009, 10:30 PM

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hand 1: fine
hand 2: Bet the flop , what happens when the 3rd spade drops are you going to pay off the flush draws that continue on the flop? (yes) what about 78s or KQs or QJs. You're ahead but it could turn nasty on this board(yes you would). make them pay to continue for their draws.
hand 3 : AK fine
hand 4 : fold pre : you have a raiser and a 3 bet in front of you and you will playing the rest of this hand out of position. Did you assign a range to the 3better? If he shows up with AA KK QQ which would be a large part of his 3 bet range (barring any stats or reads) your check raise all in is horrible.You got lucky and hit about the only part of the range you beat.
hand 5:AK whats with the flop cbet size??? Way too small and saying that you missed.Again any stats or reads on villain cos I think I'd need a read that he bluffs a lot to call the allin on the turn after he raised you on the flop. villain could play this way with 9x A9 A4 44 which all have you crushed.

still think you played them well?

linaker

10-16-2009, 11:32 PM

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In hand 2, your plan on the flop should be to get your hands on his $1.65. You won't do this by checking the flop. A nice 20c, 50c, 95c sequence would be good on a draw heavy board. Plus a lot of turn cards are bad for you: any spade, 8, J, Q, K....

argash

10-16-2009, 11:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

hand 2: Bet the flop , what happens when the 3rd spade drops are you going to pay off the flush draws that continue on the flop? (yes) what about 78s or KQs or QJs. You're ahead but it could turn nasty on this board(yes you would). make them pay to continue for their draws.

admittedly probably a case of FCS there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

hand 5:AK whats with the flop cbet size??? Way too small and saying that you missed.Again any stats or reads on villain cos I think I'd need a read that he bluffs a lot to call the allin on the turn after he raised you on the flop. villain could play this way with 9x A9 A4 44 which all have you crushed.

still think you played them well?

He'd been a maniac and shoving with any two cards since he'd sat down 10 minutes prior I was calling him with any TPTK

Pelion

10-17-2009, 01:21 AM

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If you have reads that you are basing your decisions on then put them in the original post. Its a total waste of time to post a hand and not tell us "hed been shoving any 2 for 10 minutes".

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

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