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salsa4ever
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10-05-2005, 01:47 PM
Post subject: Just how important is poker tracker?
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne
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I'm a winning player in that I'm winning over 10000 raked hands or so and grinding out bonuses at a profit. I can play ABC NL poker: good starting hands, cont bets, pot odds, fold when obviously beat etc. But I have a long way to go before I'm actually "good".
I'm wondering whether it's worthwhile getting poker tracker, and how much it would help my NL game? I know it can help fix leaks etc. but how much benefit can i expect to derive from it?
is there a piece of software I should get before it?
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Jimmy Mac
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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Check out this thread:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...2ec38b59319c58
Just got PT myself and I am finding it very useful. If you also get PokerAce, or Gametime+, (both free) you can get your opponents stats superimposed on your table so you can see their VPIP and PFR % as you play. Well worth $50.
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pizzatron
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 40
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I use poker office instead of PT, but I find it to be useful when quad tabling. Being able to see VPIP/pfr% helps you somewhat with reads, and it's also useful in finding leaks in your game once you've accumulated a good amount of data on your own play.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,524
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Well, a great way to improve your winning rate is to multi-table. PT (with Gametime or PokerAce overlaying stats) will aid you. I only do two tables at a time now, but plan to move to 3 soon. But, the other day I was at some loose tables. Then I get a 66 and it's raised after I limp to a an amount I consider calling. Then I look at his VP$IP. It's 8%. I fold. He shows down AA and my PP missed. I saved myself some money. It definitely separates perception from the equation.
Also, identifying leaks in your game via PT is easy. You think you are making money off Axs? Look in PT for the real story.
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DogOnMySide
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 458
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Originally Posted by r8ed
Then I get a 66 and it's raised after I limp to a an amount I consider calling. Then I look at his VP$IP. It's 8%. I fold. He shows down AA and my PP missed. I saved myself some money. It definitely separates perception from the equation.
Also, identifying leaks in your game via PT is easy. You think you are making money off Axs? Look in PT for the real story.
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Can't sum it up any better than that.
There's a guy in my PT database who has a VP$IP of 2.74 over 292 hands. Call me a chicken but if he puts money in my pot and i dont got the nuts i am outta there.
And yes, Ax does not make money. I am making money on A9o, A8s, A4s and A4o...... but i am putting those down to statistical abberations and expect them to turn red any time soon!
Great program. Not sure it literally "pays for itself" at $55 but it certainly helps. Train journeys are also made more fun, poring over hands thinking "why would i call that? Idiot"
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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The day I bought Poker Tracker I won a £50 pot by betting against a raise from a guy I had down as a serial bluffer (stats acquired during the PT trial period). I de-stacked him and made the equivalent of $45 on that one hand that I wouldn't have risked without a read.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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if it's a callable raise amount and he's playing few enough pots that he almost surely has a big pair... that's the perfect spot to play 66.
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r8ed
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,524
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He raised too high relative to his stack for me to bother, but this was just an example of an advantage PT gives you. Maybe not the best example but he gets the picture.
You can also go to each starting hand and go through the hand history for each one. I do this for the ones I win or lose more than $4 on to see if there is a better way to play them. There's just so much in there that's useful. Positional stats, post flop stats, showdown stats, etc.
It's been worth it for me. I have close up leaks in my game after looking at stats and hand histories.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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Join Date: Aug 2004
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my point was it's a great reason to have PT. If you know opp is only playing big pairs, you know he's going to pay off your set in most cases - if you're playing THAT tight, you have to ride the biggies when you get them.
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Lexicon Devil
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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Everyone's talking about PokerTracker from a standpoint of reading your opponents. It's at least as profitable (and probably moreso) when used to analyze your own play. I had no idea I was losing hundreds of dollars from the small blind. PokerTracker let me know and has saved me this money in the future. I had no idea that I was losing money with KQ - PokerTracker let me know and let me fix this.
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Laeelin
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,137
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Originally Posted by Lexicon Devil
Everyone's talking about PokerTracker from a standpoint of reading your opponents. It's at least as profitable (and probably moreso) when used to analyze your own play. I had no idea I was losing hundreds of dollars from the small blind. PokerTracker let me know and has saved me this money in the future. I had no idea that I was losing money with KQ - PokerTracker let me know and let me fix this.
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I think this is the most important use for PT.
I really like how you can filter hands to see where and how your loseing, then look at hand histories to see how you can lose less and win more.
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potdragn
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 53
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without poker tracker, i wouldnt realize that my last five times with AKo i have lost 15 dollars : /
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DogOnMySide
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 458
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Without poker tracker I wouldn't know that my 4th most profitable hand of all time is 72off 
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