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Just had these 2 hands. Simple, but what did I do wrong?
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WhileTrue
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07-17-2005, 12:36 AM
Post subject: Just had these 2 hands. Simple, but what did I do wrong?
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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This is what happened. How could I have played this better? It was a full table, and I was chip leader with ~ 2000 chips both times.
A10s
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Player went all in for 600 pre flop at level 4 (blinds 25/50). I had A-10 of spades. Called. It didn't hold up. Had a pair of 10's and four to a flush when it was over, against his trip queens.
44
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I called the blind (50) with 2000 chips left pre flop. Flop came 3 8 3. I had 2 pair. I bet 250. One person calls. Ace came down on the turn, I bet 250 more, one caller. Aces comes down on river.
Check-Check, player shows full house (3 3's and 2 A's).
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07-17-2005, 12:55 AM
Post subject: Re: Just had these 2 hands. Simple, but what did I do wrong?
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Originally Posted by WhileTrue
A10s
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Player went all in for 600 pre flop at level 4 (blinds 25/50). I had A-10 of spades. Called. It didn't hold up. Had a pair of 10's and four to a flush when it was over, against his trip queens.
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ATs isn't that strong a hand. A 12xbb bet is usually an indicator of AA, KK, QQ, maybe a pushy AK, AQ or medium PP looking for a blind steal -- all hands that have you beat and/or dominated. You have to respect most bets, unless you have the cards or the bettor has given you multiple reasons to disbelieve his bets. If you were trying to "keep him honest", don't, until you can't take his crap anymore.
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Originally Posted by WhileTrue
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I called the blind (50) with 2000 chips left pre flop. Flop came 3 8 3. I had 2 pair. I bet 250. One person calls. Ace came down on the turn, I bet 250 more, one caller. Aces comes down on river.
Check-Check, player shows full house (3 3's and 2 A's).
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Limped pots can leave hands in play that match any card on the board. Your opponent limped, as did you. He could easily be holding a 3 or an 8. He could be holding A-anything suited. He could even have 55 up to JJ. Again, many hands that have your 2pr beat. You were betting out and he was smooth calling -- it pays to be suspicious here. When two pairs hit the board, alarm bells should go off in your head -- any 3 or A beat you, as well as the many other possible hands -- any 8, other PP.
When you have small pocket pairs you are looking for one of two things --- to get to the river cheap, or
to hit your trip.
Betting out isn't horrible, but your spidey sense should be tingling when he calls a pot-sized bet.
Overall, think about- 1) what hands would cause the opponent to act that way
2) if your hand has a chance of improving (4 outs on your 44 hand isn't a bright future)
3) how many cards beat you
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bair
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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hand 1: fold since it was a full table
hand 2: played fine
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Aces
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 832
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If you have them, the actually hand histories and any reads you have will get you better advice.
In general:
Hand 1: Fold that sh1t. ATs may look pretty to some, but it's not that strong, and certainly not strong enough to call 12x BB.
Hand 2: This is probably a contrary opinion, but depending on how aggressive the table is(lots of preflop action), you could fold this in EP. You limped, which is also fine. The flop bet was reasonable. Once he called and the A hit on the turn I'd probably slow down.
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Greedo017
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AT - this hand is hard to comment on without more details. judging just on the blinds still being fairly small, there are probably too many people still in, people aren't really that desperate yet, and you need to be careful calling a push with it. when the blinds hit 100+ and people get desperate, go for it.
44 - limping is fine preflop. after the 250 flop bet is called (is 250 not an overbet?), check/fold. 250 is a strong bet, it got called, in a pot with many limpers. who called you that you're beating?
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