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06-04-2010, 11:04 PM
Post subject: JJ w/flush draw against oop tagg
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Villain is tagg with 100% fold to 3bet and oop.I guess I can put his range at 99+,AKs,Ako and maybe KQs.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($2.32)
Hero (MP2) ($5.05)
MP3 ($2.48)
CO ($0.72)
Button ($1)
SB ($3.68)
BB ($5.18)
UTG ($3.36)
UTG+1 ($3.94)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with  , 
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 bets $0.06, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 6 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.14
Flop: ($0.45)  ,  ,  (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.20, Hero???
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donkfish
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2010
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According to the range you give him, why not flat here IP? Also, how many hands do you have on this guy? Just wondering why you're trying to narrow down a tight UTG's range.
Code:
Board: 2c Ac Tc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.868% 51.27% 00.60% 26900 315.00 { 99+, AKs, KQs, AKo, KQo }
Hand 1: 48.132% 47.53% 00.60% 24940 315.00 { JcJs }
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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Why do we 3b pre if he's folding everything we beat??
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supa
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
Why do we 3b pre if he's folding everything we beat??
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Because we aren't playing only one villain pre and I'm not interested in a multiway pot with 5 or 6 callers with JJ.
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JKDS
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
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why u know his fold to 3bet stats but not his vpip/pfr and hands stat?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by supahaole
Because we aren't playing only one villain pre and I'm not interested in a multiway pot with 5 or 6 callers with JJ.
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We'll actually get more value set mining a multiway pot with 5 or 6 callers than we will from taking his raise money 100% of the time
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!Luck
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Hate the 3 bet. If he can bluff call flop. If the four flush hits and he checks, Jam. still it is ugly.
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supa
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
why u know his fold to 3bet stats but not his vpip/pfr and hands stat?
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I know his 3bet because I don't have a tracker and am using my hand histories to put my opponent on a range.I'm 2 tabling and playing about 20% of my hands preflop so I have plenty time to browse HHs.It's really not that hard to see when someone's folding to every 3bet.I might miss a hand here and there but I think I'm pretty close in this situation.
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supa
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
We'll actually get more value set mining a multiway pot with 5 or 6 callers than we will from taking his raise money 100% of the time
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I think this is a good statement to think about and learn from but at this level and my skill level don't you think it's better to isolate big pps to one opponent?
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JKDS
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Im even more skeptical of that stat now that i know how you came about it so im just gonna go ahead and ignore it completely.
I like 3betting pre. I dont think his range is as tight as you think it is. His sizing is pretty perplexing, and id think hed be worried of getting too many callers with his nut type hands. This looks most like a medium strength hand thats strong enough to raise but hes willing to let go. 99-tt, KQ maybe some suited broadways that kind of thing.
On the flop i cant see doing much but calling.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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Calling flop IP is fine. Even with a wider range 3betting pre is pretty thin value imo.
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philly and the phanatics
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Full House
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against the range of 99+ ak,and kqs you still have 43% equity to a shove here, i know he isnt shoving right now and there is moer betting to come but still, you are doing alright against his range i would call this bet for sure and see if he turns u p the heat on later streets....note as you widen his Aces that he calls with pre (aj,aq,ats) you decrease your equity because...ldo....its more likely that he has an ace that has you beat.
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