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Blazing_Saddler
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12-19-2008, 01:36 PM
Post subject: JJ Tricky situation (or at least it is for me)
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3-of-a-Kind
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This is the first hand I have posted on FTR, so please forgive me if I make mistakes, and point me in the right direction by all means. Thank you.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
BB ($10.90)
UTG ($10)
Hero (MP) ($11.15)
CO ($16.70)
Button ($21)
SB ($15.55)
Preflop: Hero is MP with  , 
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold
Flop: ($1)  ,  ,  (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, Button raises to $1.80, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.20
Turn: ($4.60)  (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, [color=#666666][i] Hero ?
Poor play on the flop ? Is this an auto fold after the turn bet from the villain ?
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you have the picture posted twice, but at least you converted!
thread is missing reads
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Blazing_Saddler
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Sorry about missing the reads. I have none on anyone, I have just shipped my bankroll , or most of it, from Full Tilt, to Stars. This was one of the first hands I played.
Thanks for the response.
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jackvance
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I'd raise 4bb preflop at 10NL and bet closer to pot on the flop, you want to charge the draws and it decreases the chance of getting raised. If the guy is passive or a nit, the turn is an easy fold, if he's more the aggressive type, I'd reraise the flop, now it's just a guessing game.
edit: without some read, just fold the turn - most of these guys don't raise their draws or TP hands.
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GatorJH
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if you don't have any reads, folding here is not a huge mistake.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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Blazing_Saddler
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Originally Posted by jackvance
I'd raise 4bb preflop at 10NL and bet closer to pot on the flop, you want to charge the draws and it decreases the chance of getting raised. If the guy is passive or a nit, the turn is an easy fold, if he's more the aggressive type, I'd reraise the flop, now it's just a guessing game.
edit: without some read, just fold the turn - most of these guys don't raise their draws or TP hands.
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Yeah, I have already started rasing 4x BB. Thanks.
As played, do I fold the flop re raise ? I only have around 3 hands on this guy, so I have no idea what kind of player he is.
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minSim
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Bet the flop closer to full pot. You played it well besides that. Fold the turn.
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by Blazing_Saddler
As played, do I fold the flop re raise ? I only have around 3 hands on this guy, so I have no idea what kind of player he is.
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You can call because if he's raising some weaker hand or air he's probably giving up and checking the turn.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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grindinginnj
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I think I would have reaised the flop.
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Stackin chips and rippin lips!!
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will641
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seeing as youre oop and hes stacking off with a fairly wide range i would just as well 3-bet the flop.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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Blazing_Saddler
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Thanks for the responses. Much appreciated.
I did fold the turn, will put the rest of the HH on when I am back on my own PC.
There was a time not so long ago, I would have re raised him on the flop. Problem being once you have re raised his re raise, you are all but pot committed, or at least I found myself thinking that. So now I am a little more cautious, which I'm not sure is actually helping my game.
At least now I know how to fold an over pair 
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OhBollocks
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Originally Posted by iopq
thread is missing reads
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Just like when the FR forum spanked your ass for posting reads halfway through your thread, amirite?
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Originally Posted by ISF
Nothing actually changes in a poker game besides equity....
When we can maximize our equity, we will make lots and lots of money.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Blazing_Saddler
There was a time not so long ago, I would have re raised him on the flop. Problem being once you have re raised his re raise, you are all but pot committed, or at least I found myself thinking that.
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Will's spot on, he's stacking off wide enough to profitably 3bet JJ on the flop and get the money in. It's a spot where you just have to suck up the variance sometimes, open up pokerstove afterwards, and analyze if it's a spot where you're spewing.
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Originally Posted by OhBollocks
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Originally Posted by iopq
thread is missing reads
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Just like when the FR forum spanked your ass for posting reads halfway through your thread, amirite? |
except I didn't have reads even halfway through my thread, I just had a conversation with the guy after the hand which doesn't qualify as a read
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OhBollocks
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by OhBollocks
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Originally Posted by iopq
thread is missing reads
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Just like when the FR forum spanked your ass for posting reads halfway through your thread, amirite? |
except I didn't have reads even halfway through my thread, I just had a conversation with the guy after the hand which doesn't qualify as a read |
Different thread imo but w/e
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ISF
Nothing actually changes in a poker game besides equity....
When we can maximize our equity, we will make lots and lots of money.
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Originally Posted by OhBollocks
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by OhBollocks
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Originally Posted by iopq
thread is missing reads
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Just like when the FR forum spanked your ass for posting reads halfway through your thread, amirite? |
except I didn't have reads even halfway through my thread, I just had a conversation with the guy after the hand which doesn't qualify as a read |
Different thread imo but w/e |
dueh, maybeh
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xptboy
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fold turn.
I would've reraised flop maybe 50% of the time
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