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Biglines
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10-18-2008, 08:44 AM
Post subject: JJ overpair facing aggression on turn 10nl
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3-of-a-Kind
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Just joined the table so no reads on the the villain.
With his bet on the turn really having a hard time working out what cards he should be on. I dont see him having a straight and I dont think he has a higher pair so I think he most likely has something like top pair with a decent kicker. Am I right in thinking I should just be calling here?
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MP ($11)
CO ($24.60)
Button ($10.50)
SB ($7.20)
BB ($4.65)
Hero (UTG) ($9.85)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J , J
Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold
Flop: ($1.30) 4 , 3, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, CO calls $1.10, 1 fold
Turn: ($3.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $6.40, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???
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Vrax
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Full House
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It's easy fold vs unknown (most likely postflop passive) player.
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"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy
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al yell
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I either call and get it in on almost any River or I get it all in right here, especially considering we know nothing about Villain.
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speedcake
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you've invested over 2/3rds of your starting stack up to that point, I dont know I can lay it down or not 
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Good NL players give free cards sometimes. This is because bets are more important than the pot. So I'd check the turn and see what the opponent does.
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daven
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10-19-2008, 12:12 AM
Post subject: Re: JJ overpair facing aggression on turn 10nl
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Biglines
With his bet on the turn really having a hard time working out what cards he should be on. I dont see him having a straight and I dont think he has a higher pair so I think he most likely has something like top pair with a decent kicker. Am I right in thinking I should just be calling here?
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do you know about ranges and sets?
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settecba
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i cant see how he could have the straight or top pair decent kicker, there are a lot of hands i can see that beat us, but not those. I think i would fold worried about sets or 2pair that VERY OFTEN are played this way.
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Originally Posted by ISF
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Vrax
It's easy fold vs unknown (most likely postflop passive) player.
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Originally Posted by bigred
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by XTR1000
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Originally Posted by Vrax
It's easy fold vs unknown (most likely postflop passive) player.
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agree
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martindcx1e
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villain is running a classic set line. villains with brains don't do this with top pair as your most probable hand is an overpair, and i think we have to assume he has a brain since he has 250bb's.
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Originally Posted by al yell
I either call and get it in on almost any River or I get it all in right here, especially considering we know nothing about Villain.
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our hand is pretty similar to A9 here. do you get all in with A9 here too?
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oskar
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You can beat A9, you can beat TT... both of which are very unlikely to raise you. I don't get the bet on the turn. If you're going to PSB on flop and turn you might be over representing your hand. I don't think checking would be too bad - a reasonable calling range doesn't have a draw here, so no need to protect. Betting smaller to get some value out of top pair would be the other option.
As played I'm folding, but I wouldn't play it that aggressively.
If you have a player note that he's a station and he's stacking off with TP on a low board, then go ahead and try to get him AI on the river. In that case you should know better what to do here according to your history with the player.
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Biglines
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10-20-2008, 07:16 AM
Post subject: Re: JJ overpair facing aggression on turn 10nl
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3-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by daven
do you know about ranges and sets?
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If he has a set whats the point of the reraise here? Im setting myself up to get it all in on the river, and even if I dont he has position so he can still put in a bet on that street.
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bigspenda73
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gotta know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em
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daven
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10-20-2008, 08:56 AM
Post subject: Re: JJ overpair facing aggression on turn 10nl
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Biglines
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Originally Posted by daven
do you know about ranges and sets?
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If he has a set whats the point of the reraise here? Im setting myself up to get it all in on the river, and even if I dont he has position so he can still put in a bet on that street. |
my question stands.
talk about villain's range on each street please.
edit: I'm not trying to be an arse here - range forming is the best way to analyse this hand.
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Biglines
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3-of-a-Kind
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Villain is unknown, but given that is he is deep we have to assume he is a decent player.
Preflop range: pocket pairs lower than QQ , suited connectors, Axs, broadways
Flop: calls cbet with all PP's, 56s, 910s, 10Js, A9, Edit: possibly broadways too given that he is IP
Turn: a reraise means that if he has a hand it is most likely a set here.
He actually had 96o. Made a note and reloaded
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NO YOU
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They call JJ the parking lot hand... Cuz it GETS YOU SENT HOME
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ChrisBCritter
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Triptanes
They call JJ the parking lot hand... Cuz it GETS YOU SENT HOME
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WTH? that doesn't make any sense... Fish-hooks not fancy enough for ya?
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sarbox68
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OOP call flop, raise turn (esp. w/ raise sizing on the smaller end...) is textbook set. It's highly unlikely he's trying to fold you out or he'd prolly have bet-sized bigger. Figures you're committed and doesn't want to risk losing value if you check/fold the River to a decision for half your orig stack.
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