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Old 03-14-2009, 08:19 PM     Post subject: JJ OOP Vs Spewy Aggro Reg #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain runs 18/15/5 over like 3K hands. We both know each other's game inside out since we're friends in real life and have played together for years.

He is very aggro and his range for opening in MP here is pretty much exactly this [22-AA, AJo+, A9s+, KQo+, KJs+.]

He would be a good player if it weren't for his over aggro ways and spewy unjustifiable plays. How's my line here? Can we just get it in on this flop. I always feel I'm stacking off too light in spots like this. FWIW donk betting is a line I pretty much never take vs him.

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BB ($2.10)
UTG ($25.14)
MP ($8.53)
Button ($19.90)
Hero (SB) ($20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
UTG bets $0.70, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.60) 7, 5, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, UTG raises $4.25, Hero raises $12.55, UTG raises $20.19 (All-In), Hero calls $5.30 (All-In)

Turn: ($40.20) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($40.20) A (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $40.20

 
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Old 03-14-2009, 08:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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is your friend willing to stack off with Top pair or two overs or a flush draw?
if he is that aggro then he could just have TPTK or a flush.
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Old 03-19-2009, 03:54 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 I dunno if I like leading so much here.

You say he's spewy/aggro, so by leading you're probably going to eliminate alot of the crap in his c-betting range if he's continuing, however given his aggression he'll probably raise draws+overpairs+overcards, so you're probably looking at a fairly balanced range that I'm guessing (not too sure though) that it could be +EV to raise back. I don't know if it makes much of a difference, but since you only have 5.30 left when you raise I like shoving it in, although that's a fairly minute detail.

I don't like leading here because:
1. if he's aggro enough we can probably get a couple streets of value by letting him barrell into us when we check/call
2. He's UTG so his opening range is of course likely to be at its tightest, therefore by leading we may elminate alot of the weaker unmade hands in his range and only be getting played back at with draws/overpairs.

However, I think there may be some advantages to leading as well:
1. you can give him the chance to play back at you lightly - for example, if you lead, he may raise 100% of his range, thus you would be getting the money in faster while your hand is ahead of his range. I'm not sure what sort of reads you have on him when it comes to raising donk bets, but depending on how he reacts to them, leading may be the best choice. If this was the type of player who will raise donk bets with their entire c-betting range, then I think donking would be the right move.
2. by leading we take the initiative and protect our hand from draws/overcards. It sucks if we decide to check/call here and then the turn brings a A/K/Q/diamond since we'd be sort of clueless as to where we are at and will probably have to check/fold since we won't be able to call another bet on the river.

Given this analysis I think the way you played the hand was fine, and we could probably assume both leading or c/c'ing would be generally correct. However, I think one would be favoured over the other given any additional information you have on his postflop play.

1 more thing: by check/calling instead of leading, we keep the pot smaller, because it's harder to villain to get us all in when we're not giving him a chance to raise a bet to bloat the pot.

I'm not really sure about my analysis here. If it's wrong I can't wait to hear someones input since these spots can be tricky and I'd like some feedback too on how to handle them.
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 I'd like to mention one more thing.

You said donk leading is a line you never really take against him. Do you know if he's seen the type of hands you've lead into other players before?

This could help in determining what he would think you hold when you lead into him, and help determine the best action.

dranger7070 and I were discussing the hand and he also brought up the point that c/r'ing seems like a resonable line as well. This is something I left out of my analysis. dranger mentioned that because of your history, your c/r may be seen as a bluff alot, depending on how often you c/r and what hands you've shown down after c/r'ing.
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