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Old 02-18-2009, 01:11 PM     Post subject: JJ in multiway...Can I be ahead? #1 (permalink)  
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 I don't have Pokertracker but I saw a few things in the villain while I was there. He limped a lot and almost always called PF raises regardless of holdings. However a few times he min raised in EP and showed up with a high pocket pair.
He was also pretty deliberate, if he stuck around in the pot he had something....
Can I call? This hand pissed me off.

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BB ($2.93)
Villain (UTG) ($2.76)
UTG+1 ($1.49)
MP1 ($0.53)
Hero (MP2) ($2.90)
CO ($0.98)
Button ($3.31)
SB ($2.96)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
Villain calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, BB calls $0.08, Villain calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.41) 10, 7, 6 (4 players)
BB checks, Villain checks, Hero bets $0.25, 2 folds, Villain calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.91) 7 (2 players)
Villain bets $2.41 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $0.91 | Rake: $0

I don't think he had a high pocket pair...b/c in the past he min raised them PF. Given the range he would have called my bet with, I could have him beaten but I didn't think he was the sort to just shove his chips with 2 mediocre pair...he usually only put money in the pot when he had a hand...

The thing that bugged me is that with the three callers, the pot was so big on the flop that my value bet really pumped up the pot...It started to get expensive pretty quick.
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Sorry to be selfish but....heeeelp!
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:12 PM #3 (permalink)  
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wow, I haven't played at $2NL in a while. 3 callers on the 5BB raise is funny. GAMBOOL!

IMO, Flop C-Bet needs to be larger, closer to pot with the flush and straight draws out there.

On the turn, it really is 50/50. I'd put his range at Sets(FH) AT, 89, and lots of flush and straight draws. But at the same time, I'd discount the Full-Houses a lot, because he's overbetting so much. If I haven't been at the table a while, I'll probably call. If I've been there for a while, I would like to have better reads, but I still might spite call his stupid bet here.

Either way, this is why we have a bankroll, to take a chance on marginal situations like this.

At the same time, a fold is definitely a smart, safe move here also, there will definitely be easier situations in the future.
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Sorry to be selfish but....heeeelp!
dude. Learn to control those emotions! Take what you can from this hand, learn from it and MOVE ON. Dwelling on the what ifs, and coulda beens will lead you nowhere fast.

Just take a break for a little while, do something that relaxes you. Playing poker in your current (tilted?) state will not bode well.
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 yeah I know....
It was a bad session for me...I couldn't hit a flop.

Sometimes you just need some assurance that you did the right thing...
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:24 PM     Post subject: Re: JJ in multiway...Can I be ahead? #6 (permalink)  
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He limped a lot and almost always called PF raises regardless of holdings.
Wide Limp/Calling range with garbage hands.

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Flop: ($0.41) 10, 7, 6
Garbage flop, hits his range.

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(4 players)
BB checks, Villain checks, Hero bets $0.25, 2 folds, Villain calls $0.25
Bet more on the flop, atleast over 30c.

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He was also pretty deliberate, if he stuck around in the pot he had something....
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Turn: ($0.91) 7 (2 players)
Villain bets $2.41 (All-In), Hero folds
Now how aware is villain of hand strength, particularly his own? Is he capable (meaning dumb enough) to do this with some kinda 10? His repping 89 or some kinda 7 here so basically you only beat a bluff unless you think his batshit nuts and doing this with a 10. At 2NL, would not surprise me.
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:30 PM #7 (permalink)  
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At 2NL I would call this all day long - villain will show up with trash so often that its a pretty easy call
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:30 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Now how aware is villain of hand strength, particularly his own? Is he capable (meaning dumb enough) to do this with some kinda 10? His repping 89 or some kinda 7 here so basically you only beat a bluff unless you think his batshit nuts and doing this with a 10. At 2NL, would not surprise me.
Bingo...
I really felt that the only hand I beat that he could have showed up with is QT, KT, AT...
He could of stayed in with A7, K7, Q7...or had a straight...
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:48 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 I would call but it's not exactly a sweet spot to be in.
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