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Old 09-18-2009, 09:07 PM     Post subject: JJ on BUT... #1 (permalink)  
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this is villan seems pretty loose, laggish donk .. only here maybe 15 hands at most....

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Hero (Button) ($11.30)
SB ($16.25)
BB ($15)
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MP ($21.10)
CO ($10.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
3 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.10

Flop: ($3.05) 8, 3, 7 (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($7.05) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $11.50 (All-In), Hero ???
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:14 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i guess i played it so well no need for comments??

is my preflop and flop play ok??

and should i be callin this shove on the turn??
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:36 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 stick it in PF

fold turn I guess, pokerstove it
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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stick it in PF
well if you see 3b tables true 3b % to felt JJ is 6.5%
that means that BB has to be 3bing at least 5% total from all positions

I'd say at 10NL some people 3b only the nuts or lots of different hands and it's dependent on which kind of player you have

loose laggish over 15 hands doesn't say anything
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:59 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Loose laggish over even 15 hands at 6max button vs BB means we get it in preflop with JJ and don't feel too bad about it.

And I still think that on this turn he can have 99 (especially), TT, 55, A9s, and even some other missed overs in addition to his QQ+ and sets.

We need like 35% or better to call:

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Board: 8s 3d 7c 6d
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	63.851%  	62.91% 	00.94% 	          1467 	       22.00   { 55+, 33, A9s }
Hand 1: 	36.149%  	35.21% 	00.94% 	           821 	       22.00   { JcJh }
And that's with no bluffs in his range.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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DoanDiggy: I could run something like 88/82 over 15 hands
because it's 15 hands yo
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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you make a good point though about it being 15 hands.
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:46 PM #8 (permalink)  
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DoanDiggy: I could run something like 88/82 over 15 hands
because it's 15 hands yo
I understand that. But we have JJ. On the button. At 6-max. Against a villain in the BB who seems aggressive so far.

I'm not saying it's a great spot to get it in, but what else are we going to do with it? Fold the best hand postflop? If we're never happy about getting it in postflop without a set, then I think it's better (in this specific situation) to just get it in pre. It's not like we're 150 or more BBs deep.
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Old 09-20-2009, 12:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I think calling pre is standard
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Old 09-20-2009, 03:32 PM #10 (permalink)  
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i don't think we should be folding turn but I agree with getting it in pf, JJ is kind of a tricky hand to have in your IP 4b range.
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