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Old 02-11-2010, 06:01 AM     Post subject: JJ @ 25NL -FR #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is 21/14/2 over 376 hands

Preflop range is 22-jj (As he would reraise qq+), 67s,78s,89s

I crush his preflop range. His reraise range is really limited to 55,77,33, and maybe 88-tt.

The other thing is that when he raised i need to make my commitment decision, which I didn't. I am regressing here.

So why am i posting this hand. Because i called because i thought it was okay, but now this looks like such a clear fold to me. Hopefully by writting it out I will make the correct decision later.

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UTG ($30.75)
UTG+1 ($28.90)
MP1 ($32.90)
Hero (MP2) ($35.80)
MP3 ($30.85)
CO ($58.25)
Button ($26.70)
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
3 folds, Hero bets $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 5, 7, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, Button raises to $4.25, Hero calls $2.75

Turn: ($10.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

River: ($23.85) K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero folds

Total pot: $23.85 | Rake: $1.15
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:30 AM #2 (permalink)  
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When passive villains start reraising it's time to fold. He's more or less committed after you call the turn bet ... I fold then.
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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if you call turn, call river, your pot odds are ridic and fd missed... not sayin he ever bets this small with one but meh. Id probably call for 3 streets or 4bet flop in practice... but ima fish... either way, make your decision on the turn
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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prob call river, if you call turn, but i think just push or fold on flop
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:04 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Tough one, I would not know what to do here.

On the flop he could have a strong made hand or an overpair or just raise your c-bet with a draw or a small hand like a pair of 7's or a pair/draw combo or even pure air because he thinks the flop missed your range.

I would balance between calling with a plan of leading most turns with a small bet and folding to another significant raise, or re-raising the flop to about $9 or $10 and fold to a shove. Maybe it's dumb but it seems to me it is the cheapest way to get away, other than folding to the flop raise which, if you have a read that your opponent is very straightforward and would only raise with a range that crushes you, is also an option I guess. Without reads, it seems a bit early to give up.

Calling the flop with a plan to check/call the turn doesn't make me comfortable, because that will very likely put us in an even worse situation on the river. I also don't think that you can call the flop raise and have much hope that the hand will check down after the flop action. Calling the flop raise and planning to check/fold the turn does not achieve much at all since you have very little chance to improve on the turn.

Shoving over on the flop seems a bit extreme.

What do you think his range is on the flop after his raise? Some more post-flop stats would help here. 2 AF only tells us that he is not ultra-aggressive, but also not ultra-passive. Have you seen him bet draws before, or raise c-bets with marginal hands?
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:23 PM     Post subject: Re: JJ @ 25NL -FR #6 (permalink)  
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. ..Hopefully by writting it out I will make the correct decision later. ..
Which is?

Let me try the range thing..

What's his 3bet %?
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I don't think he reraises QQ+ as he seems not too aggro. The flop raise looks like 55,77,33,QQ+, Ax-club. But then again I tend to find a range that I'm behind for some reason.
Turn bet looks like a value bet for his set or overpair or a big fd semibluff.
He missed his club fd with Kx or this looks like a value bet with a set or something else you lose to.
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