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Old 10-27-2011, 08:05 PM     Post subject: JJ 3 bet pot sigh river #1 (permalink)  
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 villain is a 24/9 over 50-ish hands agression 0 ...

no data on 3 bets.

i checked back the turn for some potcontrol cuz i was playing in the dark vs him in 3 bet pots. bad fold , bad passive bs on my behalf on turn?
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SB ($7.68)
BB ($4.44)
UTG ($6.42)
UTG+1 ($13.15)
MP1 ($6.72)
MP2 ($11.89)
MP3 ($5)
Hero (CO) ($5.27)
Button ($1.86)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
4 folds, MP3 bets $0.20, Hero raises $0.60, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.27) 3, 9, 9 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $1, MP3 calls $1

Turn: ($3.27) 5 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.27) Q (2 players)
MP3 bets $3.40 (All-In),

Hero?
Total pot: $3.27
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:11 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 pot control is an outdated concept for people who cannot hand read

checking the turn is a mistake if you think you are ahead of his range. if you are behind it the check is fine and the river is a trivial fold and not a sigh fold
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:29 PM #3 (permalink)  
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pot control is an outdated concept for people who cannot hand read

checking the turn is a mistake if you think you are ahead of his range. if you are behind it the check is fine and the river is a trivial fold and not a sigh fold
The whole issue is i'm lost on the turn this was more a desperate pot control check on turn cuz i don't know much about villain, small sample , no 3 bet pots he has been involved in yet
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Old 10-28-2011, 06:01 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 i' d b/f turn.

he's more likely to 4bet KK+ so his calling range here should be 22-QQ and AK.
he is probably c/c ing all of his range on flop or at least TT,QQ,33 and vs this we can b/f turn, i would say even b/c, but since you said he is passive i prefer b/f turn.
as played, folding/calling are both ok i think. you need 33% equity to call the river and we have it if he bet's here just 3TT combos besides 33/QQ since i dont see any 9 in his range. if he would have a 9, just note an move on.
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 Don't have to 3bet pre vs this guy, it's ok but calling might be better.

This flop is very dry, you want to make a smaller cbet ($0.70) to widen his calling range, stuff like non Ahi broadways are folding to almost any bet.

Don't mind checking turn.

Just fold river.
 
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:13 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i' d b/f turn.

he's more likely to 4bet KK+ so his calling range here should be 22-QQ and AK.
he is probably c/c ing all of his range on flop or at least TT,QQ,33 and vs this we can b/f turn, i would say even b/c, but since you said he is passive i prefer b/f turn.
as played, folding/calling are both ok i think. you need 33% equity to call the river and we have it if he bet's here just 3TT combos besides 33/QQ since i dont see any 9 in his range. if he would have a 9, just note an move on.
i got like a bit over a PSB left on the turn b/f turn seems pretty gross to me
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:36 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 sorry, my bad, didnt watch the stack, then b/c turn, enough equity vs QQ,33,55 ,TT , AKdd
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Old 10-28-2011, 01:49 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 I dont 3 bet this then get scared seems dumb, if your 3betting for value then be happy with an overpair and get it in. if you dont think your in front of his range when he calls then dont 3 bet.
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Old 10-28-2011, 02:53 PM #9 (permalink)  
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sorry, my bad, didnt watch the stack, then b/c turn, enough equity vs QQ,33,55 ,TT , AKdd
I like this solution to the problem alot. i gave him a range of QQ+ TT,55,55,Akd and i have 25% equity , in reality i think discounting AA and KK isn't unreasonable and i'd be close to 38% which is sufficient. conclusion i failed big time on the turn. thnx for the replies
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Old 10-29-2011, 09:31 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 I like calling here pre better than 3b.

If 3b, i like a smaller bet on both flop and turn.

As played, I can see why you would be confused on the turn. Bet sizing throughout the hand doesnt enable you to b/f the turn and your not betting here with confidence that you are ahead. The river is an easy fold once you check that turn behind.
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