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mz102489
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Just sat down here...guess he could have a set...str8 draw maybe idk why hed take this like with a draw tho. Guess he could have 1010 qq kk aa
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Hero (UTG) ($5)
MP1 ($3.85)
MP2 ($5.04)
CO ($4.93)
Button ($5)
SB ($7.96)
BB ($1.21)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with J , J
Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.67) 3 , 6, 4 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.80, Hero??
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surviva316
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flop bet sizing is really really bad for this board. despite how standard this spot is, it IS pretty tough, but you can def make his range wider than that for an unknown at 5nl. he could def have pair+draw hands (like 65s), like J6s+, 77+, he can DEF play draws like this, and there are a lot of bluffs in his range because i like to call this an FoS board.
an FoS board is my term for flops where fish very often just don't believe that you never have anything ever so they start spazzing out with weird crap, especially in response to cbets and so forth. things like JJ5 and 962r are some other examples, whereas broadway boards and monotone boards tend to have the opposite effect.
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mz102489
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thanks for the response, what would your flop sizing have been? .50?
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Monty3038
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I'm going to take a shot here... please tell me how wrong I am... and take this with a grain of salt... I'm no pro.
PF I like the 4xBB open, looks good. MP2 flats, ok, pot is now let's see, .47, CO calls, ok... so with two thers in, if he has a range it should be about the same as ours in UTG... though at 5nl, you can probably loosen him up a bit. Let's say 22+, KQ, Axs, Ato+, maybe KJ, JQ.
Ok, so of that range (without the maybes), we are in ok shape. flop comes, you lead for 1/2 pot... costing him .30 into a .97 pot, so he needs to make his hand 1/4 of the time to call roughly, but he raises you... leads me to narrow him down to 33, 66, 44, TT+, maybe A6?
I get to this point and have trouble from here... using original range you are still a favorite, around 66%, using modified range though, you are maybe ahead... I got a little liberal with poker stove and still come up with you ahead, but not by as much... sets are definately in his range... overpairs,
I think one more street is well within reason, I think I'm flat calling here and re-evaluating on the turn... also, I think I would have led out higher post-flop, maybe near full pot.
Advice and comments appreciated...
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linaker
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Ok, so of that range (without the maybes), we are in ok shape. flop comes, you lead for 1/2 pot... costing him .30 into a .97 pot, so he needs to make his hand 1/4 of the time to call roughly, but he raises you... leads me to narrow him down to 33, 66, 44, TT+, maybe A6?
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I am no pro either, but I think that range is too tight. Whilst nothing can be assumed, especially at micro stakes, most villains seem to love slowplaying big hands. I think a set or a big pair QQ+ is more likely to call on the flop, though the smallish flop bet could have made the villain keen to build the pot.
It seems more likely that the villain is scared of the turn. If you have A6 or 77, half the deck is going to be a scare card, so taking the pot now might appeal. A5 or 55 would also fit well. As he called a raise preflop, but we dont know how loose or tight he is, I would put him on a range of : 22-TT, A2-A6, 76s, 65s, 45s, 43s and some bluffs with hands like AQ. I'm probably completely wrong though.
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Gobbatino
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(edit: In retrospect my post seems very brainstormy, apologies in advance)
I agree with Monty on almost everything. I wouldn't pot the flop, but probably close to 2/3 pot bet.
Do you have any more information on him? If this is literally your first hand and you don't, I'd go the conservative road the first time. Definitely call the flop, evaluate turn. We don't want to fold and we're far from having to stack off due to our full effective stack so 3betting is no good. So call. Being that timing tells would be all we can go on here, it would be good to pay close attention to that.
So the interesting part would be the turn, imo. Perhaps call smallish on some turns... I'd probably c/f most though. Sometimes you may fold the best hand, but the range that you beat {A6,77,88,99,TT} wouldn't do the flop raise enough of the time AND then continue on the turn. I can see some players doing this raise with 77-JJ, maybe even 55 but doubt they would barrel the turn unless they improve. Rest of his range that fires turn has you crushed.
What turns would I call on, hmm. Pretty much all of them if the bet is like 1/5 pot or so, an 7-9 turn maybe call a bit bigger, since I can see 88-TT wanting to bet that when they remain an overpair sometimes. Maybe a bit spewy given what I just said above but yeah.
So what if he checks the turn. Do we bet? We've got equity vs his range {TT-66,44-33,A6s,A6o} and when he checks the turn we can get value from a pretty good amount of that. 99-TT at least would call one more street here on a good amount of turns, even 77-88, A6 would call on some turns. So I value b/f the turn pretty much always.
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kmind
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Bet .50 on flop and obviously call the flop raise and play a turn.
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mz102489
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i ended up flat calling the flop ....Turn: ($2.27) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, hero?
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Gobbatino
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I fold. Don't have enough equity to continue vs his range if I continue from my previous post's thoughts.
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argash
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I fold. Don't have enough equity to continue vs his range if I continue from my previous post's thoughts.
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Don't we have a lot of showdown value here though? I'm not sure about 5nl but at 2nl AJo+ is a HUGE part of villains range here. In fact this is the kind of line I usually see from villains with big Aces that miss.
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Gobbatino
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I fold. Don't have enough equity to continue vs his range if I continue from my previous post's thoughts.
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Don't we have a lot of showdown value here though? I'm not sure about 5nl but at 2nl AJo+ is a HUGE part of villains range here. In fact this is the kind of line I usually see from villains with big Aces that miss. |
Well if we had a good read that he's a huge fish that will do these kinds of things then cool. We have zero reads, hero just sat down and it's the first hand. Can we generalize 5NL enough to warrant a call? I don't know, if so, then it's definitely something to consider. Does that mean you're calling river again?
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surviva316
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too much credit being given to villain itt imo.
i stand by my previous post and range. def call this bet and i'd lead out on pretty much any river. even if it's an A i'd lead out for like 1.90 and expect him to call down with all sorts of worst hands (K6s and KTo and 99 and so forth).
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Fnord
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Tough hand. No easy answer here unless you know your opponent.
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too much credit being given to villain itt imo.
i stand by my previous post and range. def call this bet and i'd lead out on pretty much any river. even if it's an A i'd lead out for like 1.90 and expect him to call down with all sorts of worst hands (K6s and KTo and 99 and so forth).
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That would be my line as well. However... I've been on a bad downward spiral recently so my advice doesn't mean much lol
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