J8 On cut off raise turn??

why is flop call bad? do you think he'll fold AK/AQ to a raise? Raising the turn is a good way to get him to fold those hands!

Call flop, call turn, assess river, raise/bet hearts 8 + J obv, prob just call river K or Q unless he checks, maybe fold if he overbets. A is obv a disaster river, fold.

Why are we raising pre? Do you think we have fold equity against a 12/7 utg limper? We don't. I'd just fold pre tbh.

What range did you put Villain on when you called the flop?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

What range did you put Villain on when you called the flop?

{77 88 AQ AK} I'd give him, raising turn seems dumb since he reraises his 77 and 88, and folds his AK AQ.

oh villain limped pre. we should probably take AK/AA out, discount AQ, and add some SC kinda hands.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

What range did you put Villain on when you called the flop?

he limped then flatted pre so I was thinking small PP or med SC since he is out of pos.

Originally Posted by d0zer

why is flop call bad? do you think he'll fold AK/AQ to a raise? Raising the turn is a good way to get him to fold those hands!

I was thinking my hand was basically a drawing hand b/c i figured i was behind.... so the flop call I didn't have odds.? is this bad logic?? If so why are we calling this flop??

Originally Posted by OngBonga

{77 88 AQ AK} I'd give him, raising turn seems dumb since he reraises his 77 and 88, and folds his AK AQ.

I raised the turn to price out draws... I figured he could have 9xs or 10x s or Ax s here and there is a flush and str8 draw that would hit his range.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

What range did you put Villain on when you called the flop?

I was thinking he had small pp to set mine, Sc's and some rag A's... I think he 3 bets pre if he had a strong pre flop holding. But the A is why i question my flop call if he is ahead here which his pot size bet leads me to believe he is then my hand is drawing so the odds were not good for me to continue on flop. Do I make any sense? lol

Originally Posted by OngBonga

{77 88 AQ AK} I'd give him, raising turn seems dumb since he reraises his 77 and 88, and folds his AK AQ.

You don't think he's bluffing very often?

Originally Posted by Fnord

You don't think he's bluffing very often?

Not really, no. He's 12/7 and utg, he's got 77 88 AQ KQs and maybe AK, so he has one combo that bluffs here imo.

I'm giving him a l/c range of 77-TT KQs AQo AJs and maybe AQs maybe AKo, I doubt he donks TT into A-high flop.

nice hand, well played. Nothing wrong with this at all. Flop you can raise OR call, both are ok. Turn raise is for value and you have outs when he infrequently calls with better

besides me, no one else thinks he should fold pre ?

I'm sure there's other professional nits that share your opinion, nitzvan.

Originally Posted by d0zer

I'm sure there's other professional nits that share your opinion, nitzvan.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

besides me, no one else thinks he should fold pre ?

wat, this a open on some CAP tables, let alone 100 fucking big blinds deep.

Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet

wat, this a open on some CAP tables, let alone 100 fucking big blinds deep.

Well it's an iso of a 12/7, but given how easy 12/7s who limp EP are to play postflop, I'm quite happy to do so.

Originally Posted by d0zer

I'm sure there's other professional nits that share your opinion, nitzvan.

ironic, , but true somehow.

anyway i said that " he should" fold preflop, not "we should". maybe i should have expressed better.

i am thinking that he should fold preflop because it's obviuos from this hand and others he posted he needs to do some work on his postflop play before he can start iso this type of hands. my opinion is that he has no ideea why is he raising pre and how to play postflop in most cases and this is one of the reasons i think he should fold pre for now this kind of hands, unless it's folded to him and he opens.