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Old 11-11-2006, 06:53 PM     Post subject: Instant minraise #1 (permalink)  
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Im wondering if its standard to reraise villain if he instant minraises u.
Ive been doing it everytime and they usually fold.
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Sleepover 10475440-42415 Holdem No Limit $0.25/$0.50
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Hand Start.
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 1 : beepa222 has $79.49
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 2 : bb1218 has $50
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 3 : Ilaughatyou has $118.26
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 4 : billions has $74.03
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 5 : Kimberly18 has $116.86
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 6 : playskool has $80.98
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 7 : TheSteak77 has $49.25
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 8 : DBK-LL has $5.50
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Seat 9 : dola99 has $21
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Ilaughatyou is the dealer.
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : billions posted small blind.
[Nov 11 19:43:26] : Kimberly18 posted big blind.
[Nov 11 19:43:33] : dola99 posted [dead] small blind.
[Nov 11 19:43:33] : Game [42415] started with 8 players.
[Nov 11 19:43:33] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 11 19:43:33] : Seat 3 : Ilaughatyou has Qc Ad
[Nov 11 19:43:48] : playskool has 10 seconds to respond.
[Nov 11 19:43:54] : playskool called $0.50
[Nov 11 19:43:55] : TheSteak77 folded.
[Nov 11 19:43:57] : DBK-LL called $0.50
[Nov 11 19:43:59] : dola99 folded.
[Nov 11 19:44:00] : beepa222 called $0.50
[Nov 11 19:44:07] : Ilaughatyou called $0.50 and raised $3
[Nov 11 19:44:10] : billions folded.
[Nov 11 19:44:16] : Kimberly18 folded.
[Nov 11 19:44:16] : playskool called $3
[Nov 11 19:44:19] : DBK-LL folded.
[Nov 11 19:44:20] : beepa222 folded.
[Nov 11 19:44:20] : Dealing flop.
[Nov 11 19:44:20] : Board cards [2d Jd 3c]
[Nov 11 19:44:22] : playskool checked.
[Nov 11 19:44:34] : Ilaughatyou bet $7
[Nov 11 19:44:35] : playskool called $7 and raised $7
[Nov 11 19:44:46] : Ilaughatyou called $7 and raised $10
[Nov 11 19:44:48] : playskool folded.
[Nov 11 19:44:50] : Ilaughatyou wins $35.15 as the last player standing
[Nov 11 19:44:52] : Hand is over.
 
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Old 11-11-2006, 06:58 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I minraise with a set sometimes to induce a reraise which I push over. I wouldn't get in the habit of it without reads.



 
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Old 11-11-2006, 07:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I minraise with a set sometimes to induce a reraise which I push over. I wouldn't get in the habit of it without reads.
I understand but im talking about "instant" minraises where they act in less then a second.
 
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Old 11-11-2006, 07:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I minraise with a set sometimes to induce a reraise which I push over. I wouldn't get in the habit of it without reads.
I understand but im talking about "instant" minraises where they act in less then a second.
ya i've wondered about this before too. i've actually done it a few times vs. ppl who i've seen get pushed around easily after they cbet. you may be on to something.
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Old 11-12-2006, 02:06 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I think that's fine. However, the instant check-minraise is another story.
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Old 11-12-2006, 04:45 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think that's fine. However, the instant check-minraise is another story.
I'm experimenting with coming back over the top when villains check-minraise my cbets. Too early to tell, but I seem to get alot of laydowns.

"Real" check-raises are scary as hell though.

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Old 11-12-2006, 05:48 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I wonder how many ppl who do the insta-minraise will continue on the turn as a bluff.

What do you think about just calling the raise in position, and taking the pot if checked to on the turn?
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Old 11-12-2006, 06:24 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 What if your reraise is called and fourth street seems to have helped no-one?
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Old 11-12-2006, 10:06 PM #9 (permalink)  
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What if your reraise is called and fourth street seems to have helped no-one?
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Old 11-13-2006, 01:47 AM #10 (permalink)  
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What if your reraise is called and fourth street seems to have helped no-one?
Bet turn!
 
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Old 11-13-2006, 11:24 AM #11 (permalink)  
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What if your reraise is called and fourth street seems to have helped no-one?
I agree, spew all in.
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Old 11-13-2006, 01:08 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I had a guy with position do this instant minraise to me three times in the period of an hour.

The scenario was always a HU flop, I'd cbet 3/4 pot and he'd instant minraise me. The first two times I reraised him standard and he folded, but the third time, I thought maybe he was trying to induce my raise.

Would you say he's just a donk with a minraise habit, or did I make the right move by not 3-betting again with air?
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Would you say he's just a donk with a minraise habit, or did I make the right move by not 3-betting again with air?
we'll never know?
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:19 AM #14 (permalink)  
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last night i got insta min raised twice:

1- he called my pfr, c/r insta on T T x drawy-flop, I 3bet he went all in. he had QQ, I had KT.
2- same deal except A A x flop and different villain. he showed 55, I had AT.

point is I think I'm gonna try and get reads before 3bet bluffing or anything from now on...
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:51 AM #15 (permalink)  
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last night i got insta min raised twice:

1- he called my pfr, c/r insta on T T x drawy-flop, I 3bet he went all in. he had QQ, I had KT.
2- same deal except A A x flop and different villain. he showed 55, I had AT.

point is I think I'm gonna try and get reads before 3bet bluffing or anything from now on...
is this full ring or short handed?? i have noticed that paired boards are not respected in 6max.
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it was 6max. that's a good point. ppl get fancy play syndrome a lot more in 6max.
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:33 AM #17 (permalink)  
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i see it, too. however, i have noticed if i can develop a "read" on the player min-raising me, i can adjust accordingly...if not, i tend to give the "play" more respect. some guys use the min-raise knowing players "have read articles" and will automatically RR. that becomes a "value min-raise" if you ask me.

bottom line: you have to determine if this is somebody that simply does not know how much to bet, or if this is a "thinking" player that is using this play against you.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:18 AM #18 (permalink)  
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that could happen if someone is multitabling and a new table pops up right over the one they are on, so it becomes an instaminraise
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