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inƒamous
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02-28-2009, 07:33 AM
Post subject: Insta check fold turn?
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No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($10.55)
SB ($6.65)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($12.90)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
MP1 ($8.35)
MP2 ($4.45)
CO ($5.75)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, SB calls $0.40
We take the flop 5 handed
Flop: ($2.50) 4 , 3, 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, UTG calls $2.10, CO calls $2.10, 2 folds
Turn: ($8.80) J (3 players)
Hero check fold turn? Or shove?
Is my bet sizing to big here or should it have been smaller/bigger?
villians are 30/0/.03-85/25/1.3
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Stacks
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02-28-2009, 08:06 AM
Post subject: Re: Insta check fold turn?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by inƒamous
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($10.55)
SB ($6.65)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($12.90)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
MP1 ($8.35)
MP2 ($4.45)
CO ($5.75)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
UTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, SB calls $0.40
We take the flop 5 handed
Flop: ($2.50) 4 , 3 , 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.10, UTG calls $2.10, CO calls $2.10, 2 folds
Turn: ($8.80) J (3 players)
Hero check fold turn? Or shove?
Is my bet sizing to big here or should it have been smaller/bigger?
villians are 30/0/.03-85/25/1.3 |
Kinda butchered preflop eh?
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inƒamous
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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yeah what should I have made it .70 to go instead of .50? I think to get everyone to fold I would have needed to make it a $1.00+. But do I really want that?
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LuckySlevin
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I'd be tempted to check fold the turn, the board just connects too well with their likely range IMO. Either one of them could have a set of 3's, 4's or 9's - I'd also be cautious of a hand like A5(s) here... I'd definately be check folding...
As stacks said the mistake was your bet sizing pre - when you have that many people to the flop with you, it's virtually the same as limping them... and situations like this are precisely why you need a stronger raise (about double what you raised). For future reference 4bb's plus 1bb for each limper is a good standard raise size, which would have seen you raising .80 here.
I'm no expert so take what advice I give with a pinch of salt please!
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bigspenda73
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never folding, jamming seems like the way to go but something like $3/call could be nifty
PF, as has been said, needs to be larger, probably .75
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dranger7070
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4bb+1bb per limper is what I use PF like slevin said. You definitely don't want everyone to fold PF (you have the nuts as of then, so you want to get as much money in as possible) but you don't want 5 people seeing the flop either.
I wouldn't c/f here ever I don't think just for the simple fact that neither opponent showed any more aggression on the flop (unless obviously they are slowplaying which is a possibility, but meh shit happens, get over it)
With the size of the pot and your stack sizes a ship is probably a good idea. I'd just stick it in and make moniez.
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youngunpoker
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I think what got you screwed was the small pre-flop raise (as previously stated) Although you don't want to scare everyone away when there is that many people playing, at least one will call a larger pre-flop raise here.
Now that the field has been cut, you can open up the betting with a little less caution. I like the bet that you put out there, for that many people in the pot. If there wasn't as many people I might have lowered the number to 1.80 or so, depending how much you raised pre flop.
Most hands are won and lost with the pre-flop action. One key to success is knowing when and how much to raise pre flop.
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inƒamous
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Alaska
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
never folding, jamming seems like the way to go but something like $3/call could be nifty
PF, as has been said, needs to be larger, probably .75
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Thanks Bigspenda in the actuall hand I did jamm the turn and lost to 34o who was the first to call my raise preflop. At the time I thought this was the correct move. On the turn I new that betting would basically pot commit me and that it might not have been right to fold when someone came over the top of me. So I shoved the turn. Was this the correct move?. Looking back though without looking at what my two opponenets had. It looked like at least one of them could have had a set. Which is why I figured I would ask.
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well if you raised more preflop, his mistake of calling PF would be a larger one
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