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Old 02-04-2009, 04:28 AM     Post subject: Insta call right? Or possible laydown? #1 (permalink)  
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Not a terribly scary flop but the all ins made me suspect trips..

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($5.93)
MP1 ($5.68)
MP2 ($8.65)
MP3 ($5.88)
Hero (CO) ($7.09)
Button ($17.39)
SB ($1.53)
BB ($9.79)
UTG ($10.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15, UTG+1 calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.85) 10, 9, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.80, SB calls $1.33 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $5.73 (All-In), Hero calls $2.93

Turn: ($13.64) A (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($13.64) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $13.64 | Rake: $0.65



No reads on villains by the way.. I definitely was thinking trips because UTG+1 limped and then called into a multiway when BB called the raise. But I get married to AA lol.

PS - I know I lucked out with the A on the turn but the point of this post is the post flop decision..
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:00 AM #2 (permalink)  
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First of all, raise more PF. I would make it .30 which is 4x + the two limpers.

On the flop, you are getting almost 4:1 odds for a call. Could he likely have a set? Yes, he limp called from UTG+1 then donked the flop. What other hand might he be doing this with though? Depending on the player, they might even do this with TPTK. He could also be doing this with JJ, QQ, or KK.

Do you think that if this same situation happened that you would only win 1 in 5?
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:05 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Most people in UTG+1 don't limp with JJ+ though. They limp with small pocket and then if there's a raise, they may call if it's a multiway for set value.

I don't see how he donked the flop though, his all in was a 5x raise because BB went all in with $1 and some change.
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:19 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Most people in UTG+1 don't limp with JJ+ though. They limp with small pocket and then if there's a raise, they may call if it's a multiway for set value.

I don't see how he donked the flop though, his all in was a 5x raise because BB went all in with $1 and some change.
KK and QQ are less likely, but I definitely will see weak players limping JJ from UTG+1 because they are uncomfortable playing postflop if a A, K or Q hits.

At any rate, I don't think I could find the fold button if I am getting 4:1 with AA on this board. I think that villain shows up with TPGK or something similar often enough to make this +EV
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:20 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Any hand he wants to play here, he has to push. If he calls he'll have $3 left, and the pot will be $8 on the turn. Not much room to move there.

Preflop: raise to 30c Other than that I think it's fine.
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Most people in UTG+1 don't limp with JJ+ though. They limp with small pocket and then if there's a raise, they may call if it's a multiway for set value.

I don't see how he donked the flop though, his all in was a 5x raise because BB went all in with $1 and some change.
"donked the flop" means he led into the preflop raiser
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