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Old 07-01-2008, 02:34 PM     Post subject: Important lesson for people holding high pocket pairs #1 (permalink)  
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I played in two SNGs today in both I knocked an someone out who had pocket Kings, simply because they didn't raise pre-flop. I know some people say if they enter the flop cheaply they can leave cheaply but it is better to collect blinds than lose your own on the flop. Without narrowing the field before the flop comes down allows garbage hands to become winners as you will see with one of my hands on the BB. In both occassions if they had raised PF I would have fold. They were also unable to let go of their pocket kings forcing them all in on the turn. Don't make the same mistake as they did RAISE your high pocket pairs & don't be afraid to let them go if you feel your behind. Heres the Hands remeber them well as one wasn't very strong and the other was garbage.

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Luck7s15(Me) [5s 6h]
Curth2 [Kd Kh]

GQ78 SB 10
Luck7s15 BB 20
JM80 Call 20
Curth2 Call 20
NickelDime Fold
Dsteele02 Fold
Letmewin_thx Fold
Blueaharp Call 20
8Special Fold
Thurstonhowie Fold
GQ78 Call 10
Luck7s15 Check

Flop [4d 3h 7d]

GQ78 Check
Luck7s15 Check
JM80 Check
Curth2 Bet 30
Blueaharp Call 30
GQ78 Fold
Luck7s15 Raise 160
JM80 Fold
Curth2 Call 130
Blueaharp Call 130

Turn [Jc]

Luck7s15 Bet 580
Curth2 Call 580
Blueaharp Fold

River [Td]

Luck7s15 Allin 740
Curth2 Allin 610

Luck7s15 7 high straight
Curth2 Pair of Kings

Luck7s15 wins 2960
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Luck7s15 [2c 2h]
TDOG67 [Kd Ks]

Rakendough SB 50
Luck7s15 BB 100
TDOG67 Call 100
Russobill Fold
Yourguardian Fold
Carlam Fold
Zeph Fold
Jeepzeke Call 100
Microman Call 100
Rakendough Call 50
Luck7s15 Check

Flop [Th 2d 5s]

Rakendough Check
Luck7s15 Bet 500
TDOG67 Call 500
Jeepzeke Fold
Microman Fold
Rakendough Fold

Turn [Ad]

Luck7s15 Allin 1395
TDOG67 Allin 280

River [7c]

Luck7s15 three of a kind 2's
TDOG69 Pair of Kings

Luck7s15 wins 2060
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Old 07-01-2008, 05:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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The only thing I would add here is that your second hand even if you raise with kings, I'm going to call you in hopes of that exact situation (Unless your raise is ridiculous, or your small stacked.)

But yes, please raise your good hands, and stop trying to be sneaky!
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Old 07-01-2008, 05:53 PM #3 (permalink)  
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The only thing I would add here is that your second hand even if you raise with kings, I'm going to call you in hopes of that exact situation (Unless your raise is ridiculous, or your small stacked.)
If you are calling approx. 1/4 of your stack (assuming a standard 300 chip raise here from KK) hoping to hit a set then you have a leak in your game.
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Old 07-01-2008, 05:54 PM #4 (permalink)  
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yeah you may well call if this guy had raised pf with pocket 2's. I use the 5/10% rule of my stack & theirs to see if its worth calling. Neither of this hands did I have pocket kings its my oppenents that did. Just thought it was worthing putting on here for the beginners to see its not worth being sneaky.Certainly wouldn't have called 300 raise with pocket ducks
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Old 07-01-2008, 07:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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The only thing I would add here is that your second hand even if you raise with kings, I'm going to call you in hopes of that exact situation (Unless your raise is ridiculous, or your small stacked.)
If you are calling approx. 1/4 of your stack (assuming a standard 300 chip raise here from KK) hoping to hit a set then you have a leak in your game.
Hence my conditional statement. It was meant for general circumstances, just like the original post was. I am sorry I didn't infer that in my ridiculous raise statement. (ie: calling a raise for too much of your own stack...)
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:39 AM #6 (permalink)  
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And FFS don't read this post as saying it's ok to min-raise with your big hands.

A min-raise will do nothing to keep a lot of good drawing hands (eg 22, 98s, etc) from playing with you....just don't do it.

The only times limping with big pairs should be encouraged is if you have a very, very solid read that a player still to act will get aggressive if limped to and will do your betting for you but even then you can't be certain.

Never let anyone in to a hand cheaply if you have cards that are vulnerable to multi-way pots.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:21 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Certainly don't min raise with them either. i usually raise 4xBB
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