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Vinland
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02-13-2009, 01:25 PM
Post subject: Implied odds improve with more people in the pot?
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Between a couple of points.
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I don't have a hand to show but I'll talk it down.
Yesterday on Stars I was in a hand with two opponents. Long story short is that on the flop I had a K high flush draw. I bet out and was raised with a caller in the middle. I had 4-1 to call so I did, I hit the flush, won the pot, cheered, did backflip etc....
It got me thinking though; Lets change it up, if I was against just one opponent on the turn with the same flush draw. I am about 4-1 to hit the flush on river. If I think there is a good chance the opponent will call a bet from me or lead out with a bet after I hit the flush I will call a turn bet to me if the pot odds are 3:1 (i give myself that for implied odds).
However, do my implied odds change if there is 2 opponents? If I am on the turn with the same flush draw and the betting to me with 2 opponents gives me say only 5:2 am I theoretically correct to call? Is it generally accepted that with two players in the pot I stand to have a better chance of having at least one caller out of two if I hit the flush than if I just have one opponent and hit, thus giving me better implied odds?
Hopefully I explained that properly, I look forward to advice...
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callmenuts26
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Two Pair
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Golden, CO
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It sounds like you have a pretty good grasp on the situation, but ya your implied odds definitely improve with two callers because the odds of one of them having a pretty solid, but still second best hand to yours improve. I always take into account how passive/aggressive I think they are and what hand they're probably putting me on when calculating my implied odds, if I view them as a very good player that has a solid top pair or two pair hand that will make a strong bet on the turn if 3 to a flush doesn't hit and will be cautious if it does then obviously my implied odds are less than if they're a poor player with a top pair hand that will bet too little to make my draw unprofitable on the river and will likely call my raise. How many chips they have is another big one. There's definitely a lot of factors to consider with implied odds and how many people is for sure one them.
cheers,
Chad
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kb coolman
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Flush
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Pot odds is what we're calling now to win now.
Implied odds comes in to play when there are people to act behind you or on later streets.
Let's say you're 2nd to act in a 4way pot and you have the NFD. PF, the pot is 16BB and 1st to act opens the flop for 12BB. You have to call 12 to win 28, giving you pot odds of 2:1 against drawing 4:1. Heads up, you can't profitably call here.
But let's say the two to act behind are known to call down light, and you're pretty sure they will call. Theoretically, you can use their expect call to calculate odds. In this case, you're calling 12BB into not 28, but into 52, giving you pot odds of just under 6:1. You can call profitably.
Implied odds are the reason why speculative hands work better multiway. You don't win too often, but it's a large pot when you do.
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Be careful with implied odds on a flush draw. You won't get paid nearly as often when that flush is completed on the board.
This is why you see top pros play hands like 4-2. If the flop is 3-5-x, you have massive implied odds compared to any FD.
My biggest pot ever won was with 4-2 after I raised utg, is why I used this example.
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
This is why you see top pros play hands like 4-2.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Outlaw
My biggest pot ever won was with 4-2 after I raised utg
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What are you implying? 
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