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Skattefritt

03-23-2005, 06:16 PM Post subject: Im getting tired of this!

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Location: Scandinavia

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Im loosing my faith brothers.

Ive been playing HoldEm online now for about 4 month.
Ive played HoldEm for some time in real life, nothing big,
but I do really well.
The current problem is this, for the last MONTH or so, I cant seem
to catch a break. Ive read a couple of books, got the theory down
pretty good. Update myself everyday here at FTR, read Gorillas
most important works, and a ton of old articles here on FTR.

I play No Limit at the 0.50-1$ tables, and i follow a predecided
strategy depending on wether the game is loose or tight.
But I have been loosing big for the last weeks.
All with hands like A-K suited, A-A, K-K so on.
There is always some moron who takes it home on the river.

Example, had bullets.
Raised prefop 3 bucks, (dont wanna scare em off)
4 callers.
Only poppycock on the flop, no chance for flush, straight etc.
Feeling I gotta get payed - raised 5 bucks.
Everybody folds except this donkey that follows to the river,
AND he HITS the flush on the river!!
His pocket cards? 3-6 !!!! farking 3-6 with a preflop raise
for 3 bucks. This is just one example, it has been happening every
god lousy day. Still I never tilted, never started playing crappy cards.
Stuck to the thought that "thats the kind of player Im looking for".
poppyfarkingcock , nothing has changed. They cant be bluffed, they call
any bet with any god damn shizzle they got, and they still win!

I need some encouragement. Because this is killing me.

:anti-heart: fish, I rather play pro`s.

Skattefritt

{edited for content - a500lbgorilla}

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03-23-2005, 06:46 PM

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If you are constantly getting all of your chips on the table while you're ahead, sooner or later, it's going to pay off.

But jezus, man. Take a chill pill and watch your language. I don't mind the occasional cussbomb here and there. I will even use one to make a point at times, but holy crap...

You say you're "not on tilt," but bro, you sure as hell fooled me.

Take a break from the game for a while. Come back refreshed and start stomping people again. You have to get it in your head that you WANT the fishies to make these calls because in the end you'll be way ahead.

hagakure

03-23-2005, 07:29 PM

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Straight

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Your thread is oozing denial man...you are on tilt worse than anyone here it sounds like.

Do not be dismayed though...that's life. I play almost exclusively B&M and you see the same thing. I may win 500 bucks in a weekend, then lose 300 in 5 hours the next weekend. Just last weekend I had been playing for 9 hours, had to go all in (3/6 limit) with J4o because I was out of chips, and won the hand. Finally, after 12 hours of playing, I had to go all in again with 8To, won again, and ended up even for the night.

Those are the kind of swings you have to get used to. If you cant, then you need to walk away from the game. A good friend who's also a great player told me once "Don't play like you need the money." and I play by that advice. I don't play wreckless, that isnt what I take from that quote, but losing my buy in evey now and then is just part of the game.

Regroup man...you can play this game if you concentrate and make it happen.

Admerylous

03-23-2005, 07:57 PM

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Example, had bullets.
Raised prefop 3 bucks, (dont wanna scare em off)
I do not know if you mean you raised the BB 3 dollars or raised to 3 dollars. It is my opinion, depending on your position, you likely should have brought it up to 4.
4 callers.
This means the pot is now at a minimum of either 12.00 or 16.00, depending on the first observation.
Only bullshit on the flop, no chance for flush, straight etc.
Good for you.
Feeling I gotta get payed - raised 5 bucks.
5 bucks into a ~12 or ~16 pot isn't something I exactly like to see here.
Everybody folds except this fucker that follows to the river,
How much did you raise on the turn? Or did you check it out at this point? If you checked it out, bad move, if you made another small weak bet, probably also a bad move.
AND he HITS the flush on the river!!
Ouch.
His pocket cards? 3-6 !!!!
I wonder what the flop was? Was he holding two pair or a pair? Something to make him tag along and the flush ended up just further strengthening his hand?

ChezJ

03-23-2005, 08:34 PM

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ChezJ is an unknown quantity at this point

i am a limit player so excuse me if this is wrong, but it seems to me that a $5 bet into a $12 pot is not very threatening to anybody and certainly won't protect your hand against a reasonable draw.

ChezJ

Skattefritt

03-23-2005, 08:43 PM Post subject: Reply

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First of all, Id like to excuse my bad language.
I was just so frustrated when I wrote that down, cause I had just
lost a big pot. (big for a small fry like me anyways)
I immedietly logged of pokerroom, not to go on tilt.
And took out my frustrations when I wrote that down.
Sorry bout that, Im usually very controlled.
But all these bad beatings- was getting to me, so I have decided
to take a break and deeply analyze my game.

Im very greatful for the feedback, and about that A-A hand.
I dont remember exactly what the community cards were.
But it just served to make a point.
Im just wondering, how long can these swings continue?

Im a pretty patient guy, when I win, I take pretty big pots.
I can wait for 5 hours for a big hand, (without growing impatient and start playing bad cards. But when I do, I usually try
to get paid for my efford. And thats how my game has worked in the past.
Sometimes I play a hand or to with bad cards just to try to build an image
of a loose player, cause I know when I get the nuts, most time I can
get one or more fish to go all in on me, and then my effort is rewarded.

But lately, pheeew.
Ive been dragged all over the pokerroom with one bad beat after the other.

Im thankful for the critique, I need it.

a500lbgorilla

03-23-2005, 10:16 PM

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Quote:

:anti-heart: fish, I rather play pro`s.

You mean:

Quote:

:anti-heart: fish, I rather play weak-tighties

Pros will play back at you, they will put you to the test. They will know what tricks you're trying to pull and you will lose.

Weak-tighties are the ones who don't chase and fold against aggression. These are the fellas you "want" to play.

Easy remedy: Don't raise 3 preflop. Multiway action kills AA. Raise 5 and don't worry about not getting any callers once or twice. Someone will usually call.

Also, for 3 bucks in a multiway pot, 3-6 is lookin pretty good. Though his action to the river is portrayed as poor.

Also, pot the flop. Pot is atleast 15 bucks. 5 bucks is going to look like a prayer to take the pot down.

Basically your bets were designed to get people to call and chase with hands that you beat. That's what you want. You got what you want and are angry about it. Design your bets to drop the hammer, not to toss the bait.

They can't be bluffed: Don't bluff them.

Also understand that the closer you get to the river, the worse AA and especially KK look.

I just came out of a big downswing. It started with suckouts, lead to bad play which facilitated "suck outs"... etc. Once I got into a different state of mind, I hit a big upswing.

The fact that you don't remember the hand is a bad sign. During the hand you should have been paying attention to things like, stack size, board texture, bets.. etc.

Also, at .5/1NL, the opponents are bad but they still lay down to the proper aggression.

There are probably a lot of things that you could improve upon, most things that are only hinted upon by you in this thread. Post hand histories from your next few days of play and we'll help you out.

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Gatlin Dan

03-24-2005, 01:11 AM Post subject: Re: God damn! Im getting tired of this!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Skattefritt

I play No Limit. i follow a predecided
strategy depending on wether the game is loose or tight.
Skattefritt
{edited for content - a500lbgorilla}

This is likely your problem. You have to adjust your play to the conditions at the table currently. Pre-decision is a good starting point, but you need to be flexible and adjust strategy accordingly when the table changes.

LeFou

03-24-2005, 01:48 AM Post subject: Re: Reply

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Posts: 2,361

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skattefritt

couple things come to mind

-good NL at small stakes isn't just about ambushing people when you've got premium hands. Sometimes it's about calling affordable bets with speculative hands, and if the players are weak they'll let you improve cheap.
-at small stakes it's not generally cost-effective to build up an image (of any kind); no one's paying enough attention. Yes, you can and should create image and then F with it, but you don't want to pass on profitable opportunities for the sake of "imaging". Play each hand for value.
-As a courtesy, changing the title of this thread would be nice.

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