|
golfguy37
|
07-05-2009, 12:05 AM
Post subject: Iffy hand
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Straight
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 217
|
|
Just sat down at table - no reads, no stats
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($0.48)
Button ($2.84)
SB ($1.15)
Hero (BB) ($2.06)
UTG ($6.02)
UTG+1 ($1)
MP1 ($2.12)
MP2 ($5.05)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 , 9
5 folds, Button bets $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.15 (All-In), 1 fold
Total pot: $0.46 | Rake: $0
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
jyms
|
|
Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,814
|
|
http://www.pokerstove.com/
|
|
|
|
golfguy37
|
|
Straight
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 217
|
|
I have pokerstove but I dont know how to get his stats (???). If I had a program that tracked his 3 Bet %, I could put him on a range using pokerstove, but I dont have those stats so I'm clueless. 
Stop rating my topics 1 star please, it's getting old
|
|
|
|
b1eedb1ack
|
|
Two Pair
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 25
|
|
The simple way to solve your problem is to not create topics worth 1 star, I would think.
To the matter at hand...Not looking at anything other than purely the action at the table & your lack of knowledge of anyone at the table...I don't see how this is anything but a fold.
|
|
|
|
RoyalProdigy
|
|
Straight
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 178
|
|
maybe your getting 1 star because your in the bb with 99 and theres a raise from the button 3x which yeah might be a steal but you never really know so you 3bet it and then get slammed by the small blind and now your thinking about stacking off with 9-9?!?!?! without knowing a thing about him. if you just smoothe called you might have taken a huge pot if you hit a 9 but if you missed you only would have lost 3x. What were you trying to accomplish by 3 betting here? taking 8c??? Really you cant be wanting him to call.........we damn sure know that you didnt want a shove lmao....so what were you trying to accomplish? 8c? next time just smoothe call OP and hope to nail a set and maybe the guy with the k-q on the button will stack off with top pair or better yet maybe the sb with QQ will stack off with his overpair.
|
|
Stack That Arab Money!!!
|
|
JKDS
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Chandler, AZ
Posts: 1,023
|
|
HEY LETS ALL GANG UP AND MAKE FUN OF GOLFGUY, LMAO ROFLCAKES!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by JKDS
HEY LETS ALL GANG UP AND MAKE FUN OF GOLFGUY, LMAO ROFLCAKES!
|
no thanks I'll make fun of royalprodigy for being a fucking nit because SB has 22-88 half of the time and random trash the other half
if he had aces, why would he smooth call the raise from the button?
|
|
|
|
nish81
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 295
|
|
I wouldn't 3bet this preflop in the first place
|
|
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.
JR: lets do it JUAN
JR: mono e mono
JR: man to man
JR: HU4ROLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dealer: juan0984 folds
|
|
linaker
|
|
3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 70
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by b1eedb1ack
The simple way to solve your problem is to not create topics worth 1 star, I would think.
|
There are hundreds of topics like this one that are not rated at all. Someone is rating all this guy's topics as 1, which is very unpleasant and childish.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by golfguy37
I have pokerstove but I dont know how to get his stats (???). If I had a program that tracked his 3 Bet %,...
|
Other posts of yours indicate that you have PokerTracker3 and you get your opponents' stats from that. You want VPIP% (voluntarily put in pot %), PFR%(Pre flop raise percentage) and 3 bet %. You then get stats of 30/20/2 say which means that he plays 30% of hands, raises 20% and 3bets 2% of them. If you have these stats then it helps your decisions. It is obviously better to 3bet someone with stats of 60/25/0, since he is likely to have raised a wide range of hands which your 9s will do well against, than to 3bet someone with stats of 8/3/0 who probably has AK at worst.
After his shove, the pot is $1.47 and you need to call 0.95, so you need 39% equity.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.175% 38.30% 00.87% 279393924 6367584.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 60.825% 59.95% 00.87% 437312412 6367584.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }
If his range is 99+,AJs+, KQs, AQo+ or wider, then you can call.
The villain played the hand weirdly. If his hand was good enough to 4bet AI, why wasn't it good enough to re-raise in response to the button's raise? At 2nl, this is often a smaller pocket pair that puts you on AK. It is a tough decision, but the villain probably has Ax hands and smaller pocket pairs often enough for you to call.
|
|
|
|
golfguy37
|
|
Straight
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 217
|
|
Ok thanks for the advice guys.
I think I must be an idiot because I still cant figure it out. I open Pokertracker3 FreeTrial, then where do I go to get stats? I don't have Table Tracker because it says I have to register first which I don't want to do.
|
|
|
|
linaker
|
|
3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 70
|
|
I have PokerTracker2, so I'm not sure I can help as the stats in PT2 are on the Game Time and Tourney Time tabs which have probably been completely changed in PT3 to facilitate display of the stats.
If PT3 still has the general info tab, then you should see your VPIP and PFR% under the Blind Structure Summary and List of Starting Hands, if your name is highlighted on the left in the list of players.
If you click on another player in the list, then the display should change and you will get that player's stats rather than your own.
|
|
|
|
Keith
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,273
|
|
http://www.pokertracker.com/products.../?doc=basichud will show you how to configure your hud.
can't access my PT3 as trial has ended but is there a players tab that lists all the players and his stats should show there.
|
|
|
|
RoyalProdigy
|
|
Straight
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 178
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by iopq
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by JKDS
HEY LETS ALL GANG UP AND MAKE FUN OF GOLFGUY, LMAO ROFLCAKES!
|
no thanks I'll make fun of royalprodigy for being a fucking nit because SB has 22-88 half of the time and random trash the other half
if he had aces, why would he smooth call the raise from the button? |
Id rather be somewhat of a nit than a spewtard. Gee i know the sb pushed all in with 22. give me a break.
|
|
Stack That Arab Money!!!
|
|
Stacks
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Im opedipus bitch, the original balla.
Posts: 2,588
|
|
OMG quit bitching about your ratings. And also quit saying that it is me rating your topics 1.. It doesn't fucking matter what the hell your topics are rated, and I'm like 90% sure that they wouldn't be rated 1 if (1) they were good topics or (2) you didn't bitch about the rating in every fucking thread you create.
|
|
|
|
sarbox68
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: wondering where the 3 extra chairs at my 6max table came from
Posts: 871
|
|
Okay...
1) Your topic is rated 1 1/2 stars, which, as everyone knows, is 50% better than 1 star. I for one am usually happy if I buy some soap for example and the box says I get 50% more for free. So be happy with your free soap.
2) This is 2nl. This means your squeeze is much more likely to get called (or raised...) because lottsa people at 2nl don't know wtf a squeeze is, means or care much less about anything other than the cards in front of them. Even if he'd called instead of shoved, there's a good chance you're going to have to play your hand as a bluff 'cause any T+ on the flop puts you at risk -- and odds are really good that at 2nl vil getting any piece of that TP/2ndPr kinda board is going to follow you all the way to SD. So given all of that, plus you don't know anything about either vils, why build a big pot with a middle pair and little chance to improve? Not saying there aren't any reasons to do so... just that you haven't given any.
3) Multiple choices are gay, so there will be no 3. 
|
|
|
|
Micro2Macro
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: http://three-pair.com/
Posts: 4,371
|
|
why the f--- did you 3bet preflop
|
"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
|
|
golfguy37
|
|
Straight
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 217
|
|
Quote:
|
OMG quit bitching about your ratings. And also quit saying that it is me rating your topics 1.. It doesn't fucking matter what the hell your topics are rated, and I'm like 90% sure that they wouldn't be rated 1 if (1) they were good topics or (2) you didn't bitch about the rating in every fucking thread you create.
|
I don't know why you have it in for me Stacks but if you say but if your gunna post, give me some advice about my hand... not the fact that I ask for people to rate it poorly. (1) tell me why each of my topics that aren't good AREN'T good... then I will try to fix it the next time I post a topic so people don't get so bitchy on me. Sound fair?
Quote:
|
2) This is 2nl. This means your squeeze is much more likely to get called (or raised...) because lottsa people at 2nl don't know wtf a squeeze is, means or care much less about anything other than the cards in front of them. Even if he'd called instead of shoved, there's a good chance you're going to have to play your hand as a bluff 'cause any T+ on the flop puts you at risk -- and odds are really good that at 2nl vil getting any piece of that TP/2ndPr kinda board is going to follow you all the way to SD. So given all of that, plus you don't know anything about either vils, why build a big pot with a middle pair and little chance to improve? Not saying there aren't any reasons to do so... just that you haven't given any.
|
So what am I supposed to do? It's only $0.04 cents to go. If I call, and a 10 comes up I'd still have to play it as a bluff... but folding isn't really an option with $0.04 to go...
Quote:
|
why the f--- did you 3bet preflop
|
why the f--- wouldn't I 3bet preflop?
|
|
|
|
Galapogos
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Loser's Lounge
Posts: 2,322
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by golfguy37
Quote:
|
why the f--- did you 3bet preflop
|
why the f--- wouldn't I 3bet preflop? |
No, his question is really more valid than yours. What was your intent with the 3bet? Did you want to get called? Did you want to get all in with the button? Did you want it to be a bluff and fold everyone out preflop?
Or did you want an inflated flop OOP which is either going to have enough overs to make you nervous. Or you're even going to feel like shit if he shoves over your cbet on a 224 board.
These all sound like bad reasons to 3bet wouldn't you think? I mean, you even got the shorty to shove over your 3bet which makes him look full of shit and you don't like calling it off here.
You're playing with bad players. They will pay you off when you hit a good hand. Just call the button's open, play some poker on boards where you don't hit a set, and stack really bad players when you do hit a set. EZ game.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
|
|
|
sarbox68
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: wondering where the 3 extra chairs at my 6max table came from
Posts: 871
|
|
I didn't say you couldn't squeeze, just know why and what your plan is after. 99 at FR isn't really the kinda hand I usually wanna play deep, potentially OOP and at a level (2nl) where repping something I don't got as a bluff is much more likely to not work 'cause alot people aren't even paying attention to what I might have... So for me I'd prolly call and see what happens on the flop - folding would be retarded 'cause, if nothing else, you've got set odds and at least position on one vil. If I did 3bet, it would be to take the pot down right then and there, so folding to the shove is ez game. But that's just me...
|
|
|
|
golfguy37
|
|
Straight
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 217
|
|
That makes sense now. Thanks guys!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
3bing preflop is with the intent of sticking it in
if you're not comfortable snapcalling this then don't 3b
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
02-10-2012, 10:26 AM WPT Lucky Hearts Poker Open Starts Today in Florida
Linear Mode
