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andy609

05-25-2006, 10:54 PM Post subject: I know I screwed this one up . . .

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. . . and this gives us an opportunity to talk about just how far to continue your continuation bets.

Hand #31223157-2584 at Rockaway (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 25/May/06 18:46:56

ukpokerfan44 is at seat 0 with $5.
Buhkits is at seat 1 with $11.30.
CPSancho is at seat 2 with $9.55.
ruth-less is at seat 3 with $7.15.
andy609 is at seat 4 with $12.65.
toobad24 is at seat 5 with $2.40.
dtarget is at seat 6 with $4.90.
RockHammer44 is at seat 7 with $11.75.
njjuice is at seat 8 with $10.60.
limoman_101 is at seat 9 with $2.95.
The button is at seat 1.

CPSancho posts the small blind of $.05.
ruth-less posts the big blind of $.10.
ukpokerfan44 posts out of turn for $.10.

ukpokerfan44: -- --
Buhkits: -- --
CPSancho: -- --
ruth-less: -- --
andy609: Qc Ks
toobad24: -- --
dtarget: -- --
RockHammer44: -- --
njjuice: -- --
limoman_101: -- --

Pre-flop:

andy609 raises to $.50. toobad24 folds. dtarget
calls. RockHammer44 folds. njjuice folds.
limoman_101 folds. ukpokerfan44 calls. Buhkits
calls. CPSancho folds. ruth-less folds.

Flop (board: 3d 5c 4s):

andy609 bets $1.30. dtarget folds. ukpokerfan44
folds. Buhkits calls.

Turn (board: 3d 5c 4s 6c):

andy609 checks. Buhkits bets $3. andy609 folds.
Buhkits is returned $3 (uncalled).

Hand #31223157-2584 Summary:

$.20 is raked from a pot of $4.75.
Buhkits wins $4.55.

The only way I should lose this hand is if he has A2 or a PP.

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givememyleg

05-25-2006, 11:16 PM

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Fold preflop.

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andy-akb

05-25-2006, 11:18 PM

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I think this has more to do with the fundamentals of when to raise and when to bet.

Preflop I dont think you should be raising KQo UTG at a fullring table.

And this also isnt the best board to be cbetting. It is a 4 way pot and its tough to really represent a hand here, what do you want them to think you have? There are also very clear straight draws here so even if you do bet, you are very likely to be called by a draw. The biggest reason not to cbet this though is simply the number of people in the pot, if you have 3 other people calling your preflop raise, there is a good chance somebody is calling your cbet.

So anyways, Id fold preflop and as played I would check/fold this flop.

andy609

05-25-2006, 11:25 PM

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I'm representing an overpair.

andy609

05-25-2006, 11:27 PM

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I'd never heard before that cbetting should be limited by the number of people in the pot (even though ti makes perfect sense). I'll take note of that.

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05-25-2006, 11:31 PM

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This is a good guuide to cbetting, it is written for SNGs but most of it still applies to cash games:
http://www.checkraised.com/forum/ind...?showtopic=550

ponyboy

05-26-2006, 01:26 AM

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To me that's a limping hand at best.

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05-26-2006, 02:44 AM

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The guy who stayed in was the 3rd and last guy to call your raise, so he could legitimately call with a relatively wide range of hands. A suited connector is entirely possible. ANY connector from A2 to 78 is beating you here, and someone who called with suited crap could also have caught something. There are lots of ways to be behind here.

Your decision to fold: Good. I don't think king-high is winning this hand.
Your decision to bet the flop: Not good. With only one caller, ok, two, questionable, but with three, I believe someone did catch something.
Your decision to raise preflop: Questionable. I'll do it once in awhile too, because I don't like to ONLY raise AA KK AK from early position, but it's far from standard. How would you handle a reraise preflop?

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05-26-2006, 07:41 AM

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I am not going to tell you to fold preflop. I am going to tell you that I would have folded preflop. I don't think raising KQo UTG is as bad as everyone says though.

As played checkfold the flop. You can't represent hands in a multiway pot against people who will potentially call you with ace high. You should generally only cbet heads up flops, unless you have position, at which point it is a case-by-case.

Xanadu

05-26-2006, 03:19 PM

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Yeah, raising KQo UTG isn't a horrible mistake, but probably at best it increases variance, and at worst is slightly -EV. No where near as bad a mistake as c-betting the flop here.

yorib

05-26-2006, 03:45 PM

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My question is, if you had TT+ would you have played the hand the same way?

andy609

05-26-2006, 06:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yorib

My question is, if you had TT+ would you have played the hand the same way?

Yep, except I would have bet big on the turn.

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05-26-2006, 07:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy609

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorib

My question is, if you had TT+ would you have played the hand the same way?

Yep, except I would have bet big on the turn.

Say you lead the turn for $3, what do you do if he pushes?

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05-26-2006, 07:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy609

I'm representing an overpair.

Me too

. Come on everyone, let's represent the big pair. J/K, but only a little bit. People don't believe that shit. That's why big pairs get payed off.

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