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flintyglint

04-08-2009, 05:12 PM Post subject: i have no idea what i'm doing post-flop 75% of the time-help

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ok, this is the first hand i've posted here. i'm starting to get a bit more comfortable with pre-flop decisions, but post-flop is where i get nailed. should i have folded after the button's reraise after the flop? i don't know what i should have based my decisions on here, basically. any comments here would be appreciated. please keep in mind i'm brand spankin new to this. thanks.

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UTG+1 ($2.18)
MP1 ($1.05)
MP2 ($2.93)
MP3 ($0.99)
CO ($6.99)
Button ($3.76)
Hero (SB) ($3.40)
BB ($1.02)
UTG ($6.62)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 9

6 folds, Button bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, Button calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.30) 3

, 10

, A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, Button raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.30) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.30, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.30 | Rake: $0.06

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oskar

04-08-2009, 05:23 PM

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First of all - stop it with the minraises.
This hand is too good to 3-bet against a steal in the sense that you're overrepping your hand. Also you're often in stupid spots after the flop oop, so I would just flat.

Either lead as a bluff, or treat the minbet like a check, and call. It's probably a weak hand, but I wouldn't trust a 2nl villain to fold a T. Turn is totally weired. Just give him credit... you need a solid hand to play at this level.

fwiw this is the first hh in a while that made me literally lol. This whole hand makes no sense what so ever, and I have no clue what villain is doing.

CBAT

04-08-2009, 05:28 PM Post subject: Re: i have no idea what i'm doing post-flop 75% of the time-

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Yes, fold after the reraise here. Unless you are drawing, which you are not, because you only have 2 outs to make your hand, then you should be folding here.

Also think about what your opponent may have. You reraised him preflop, and he called. We don't have any kind of read on him from the sounds of it, but what do you think he would be calling a reraise preflop with? We'll say that he's a regular player, and would call about 6% of hands to a 3bet. TT-AA, + AT-AK + KQs.

Everything in this range beats you besides KQs. And with his minimum bet, and then reraise, it is very similar to a check/raise, which usually means a very strong hand.

So in my opinion, unless you have a read on him of being a loose/aggro player preflop, a better decision would be to just call this flop and then pretty much set it or forget it (unless you flop a draw or the flop comes with low cards).

Another thing is, when you make this call on the flop, what is your plan? If your plan is to hope he doesn't bet the turn after you check, or to hit your 2-outter, then you should be folding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flintyglint

, 9

6 folds, Button bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.14, 1 fold, Button calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.30) 3

, 10

, A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, Button raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.30) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.30, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.30 | Rake: $0.06

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Stacks

04-08-2009, 05:58 PM

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Well... The turn is played fine.

Here's some questions I would like you to answer.

1) What was your thinking preflop? Why did you feel a min3bet was the best play?

2) What logic led to your flop check/raise?
a. What are you hoping to accomplish with your check/raise?
b. Are any worse hands calling you?
c. Are any better hands folding?

3) Why would you call his flop reraise (3bet)?

kardmania

04-10-2009, 03:44 PM

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I find its always useful to apply higher mathematics and more insightful questions to the play in this level of poker.

Even if you had the math and questions correct it would have no relevance.

Stacks

04-10-2009, 04:01 PM

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Kardmania: Quit contradicting yourself. Start explaining yourself better. How can you say math and the correct questions has no relevance, while also saying math and more insightful questions is needed?

flintyglint

04-12-2009, 03:35 AM

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oskar - thanks for the input. couple of questions:
- i don't understand your first sentence. could you try explaining it another way? you would have called his .02 bet? what would you have done if he had reraised to 0.50 in that situation?
- what size bets would you suggest in this situation if i was bluffing?
- "hh"? heads up hand?

stacks - thanks to you, also.
- my thinking pre-flop: i don't remember; i can see from renton's beginner article that he says to call in this situation. i generally try to follow that, so i don't know why i raised here.
- flop check/raise: i was trying to feel him out. when he bet .02 i thought his hand might be very weak. once he reraised, i figured he likely has something, but i would buy the turn (which was dumb, in hindsight with only two outs)

kardmania - you're welcome to share some of your more insightful questions and relevant higher math. otherwise what's really the point of what you said?

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ArcadianRock

04-12-2009, 06:54 AM

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Honestly at the $2NL level you can't really play poker. Repping/bluffing works so little of the time that it's pretty much pointless. The higher you go the more you can do but here you have to have the hand to make money. Which is great, because you'll make a way higher bb/100 than when you actually play real poker.

When you reraise too, do at least the pot.

dtamburin

04-14-2009, 12:53 PM

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flintyglint,

see this for lingo.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/start_glossary.html
HH is hand history.

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