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I got QQ twice today and ended up folding both times...

  
 
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DoanDiggy
Old 02-24-2009, 06:54 AM     Post subject: I got QQ twice today and ended up folding both times... #1 (permalink)  
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...and they were both against the same villain. He was 18/15 with an AF of 3... a pretty standard TAGG, I guess. Thoughts?

Edit - a couple more relevant stats (these are post-session, however, so my reads weren't this good):
Total hands - 142
Fold BB to steal - 5/8
Fold to Flop c-bet - 1/3
Bet Flop (total) - 7/14
Bet Turn (total) - 2/5

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MP ($12.70)
Button ($19.35)
Hero (SB) ($30.90)
BB ($14.40)
UTG ($15.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 5, 3, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, BB calls $2.75

River: ($10) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero folds

Total pot: $10 | Rake: $0.45


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BB ($10)
UTG ($28.90)
MP ($30.95)
CO ($24.25)
Hero (Button) ($31.55)
SB ($25.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q
3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) J, 3, A (2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($3.60) J (2 players)
BB bets $2.30, Hero folds

Total pot: $3.60 | Rake: $0.15


I guess the first one could be a gross river check/call in some cases (after my weak turn bet), but I don't know.... He could easily have AhXh or AT that got there on the river, but I guess he could also have something like Jh9h or 6h5h.

The second one seemed like a pretty easy fold on the turn when every hand I was ahead of on the flop (other than a total bluff) got there, and my hand has no prospects for improvement.

The only reason I'm even debating these hands is that I showed weakness in both of them. I actually felt pretty good about folding at the time. It really sucks getting QQ in late position twice and running into horrible boards both times, but I still ended up over 24 ptBB/100 for a 300-hand session so no complaints here.
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Old 02-24-2009, 12:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't have a lot of confidence in the ladies. I've seen so many aggro donks play them like the nuts then end up shipping me their stack.

I've also found that if you can't take down the pot against a TAG on an A/K flop with a good cbet, you're usually beat.

In hand one, you're dangerously close to having 1/3 of the villain's stack in the pot, making it very difficult for you to properly fold to the river bet. I would call here with anything other than an Ace, but with two overs on the board, I'm ok with the laydown. I'm just trying to figure out what this guy was holding to justify calling the pot bet on the flop. I may call here just to look him up.


Hand 2 looks good. I really hate QQ on this board.
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Old 02-24-2009, 01:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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bet turn harder in #1, otherwise I like your play.
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Old 02-24-2009, 08:57 PM #4 (permalink)  

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I've also found that if you can't take down the pot against a TAG on an A/K flop with a good cbet, you're usually beat.
this.

i actually like playing the ladies, but yourr right that too many play them like there stronger than they are. 2 good fold imo
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Old 02-25-2009, 01:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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bet turn harder in #1, otherwise I like your play.
I agree with this as I think you're giving him decent odds to draw and also your bet conveys a degree of uncertainty about where you are in the hand. Either you slow down completely and check the scare card with a view to giving the hand up to a large river bet or you bet the turn much harder and perhaps take it down there or give him very bad odds to draw. I could be wrong though lol
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