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Old 03-26-2009, 07:34 AM     Post subject: I got lost in this hand need help #1 (permalink)  
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I got lost in this hand villian is a reg running 14/10/2.7 %26 steal 3.0 3bet seems pretty solid. I didn't have a good plan for the hand going in mostly call and evaluate the flop and my opponents actions. Didn't know if I should be 3 betting this hand here. If I did 3 bet and get called what would be my line on the flop? Also what do you think the correct line on the flop should have been the way I played it?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($49)
Button ($9.40)
Hero (SB) ($45)
BB ($27.70)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($24.30)
MP3 ($29.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
5 folds, CO bets $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) 9, 8, J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

Turn: ($3) 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold

River: ($7) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Total pot: $7

Results in white below:
Hero had 10, 10 (full house, nines over tens).
CO didn't show
Outcome: Hero won $6.70
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Old 03-26-2009, 12:35 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I would almost always 3bet pre, but calling isn't too bad.

As played either b/f or c/c flop, depending on opponents. Not leading turn as played is a pretty big mistake.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I would almost always 3bet pre, but calling isn't too bad.
I wouldnt really 3bet tens from the SB OOP very much at all imo.. I just call and play for set value.

the board is pretty interesting. I like your passive line, im dumping this to any more agression than was shown.

Being OOP made this trickier but you've managed to keep the pot low whilst getting to a cheap showdown. despite no real plan i think you've managed ok.
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Old 03-26-2009, 01:47 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Gah, every time there's a scary flop multiway everyone goes into checkdown mode.

Flatting pf is fine, I would have led the flop with a PSB to stop the ace getting a free draw (infinite odds to draw to the nuts is...not goot), and probably folded to a raise. Failing that, you should have certainly led the turn.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:10 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Since no one has mentioned it yet, why aren't we betting on the river here, say 1/2 pot? are we really that worried villain is holding 9x or Jx?
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:19 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I would almost always 3bet pre, but calling isn't too bad.
I wouldnt really 3bet tens from the SB OOP very much at all imo.. I just call and play for set value.
calling if fine PF, but calling PF solely for set value is not so fine.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:23 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I would almost always 3bet pre, but calling isn't too bad.
I wouldnt really 3bet tens from the SB OOP very much at all imo.. I just call and play for set value.
calling if fine PF, but calling PF solely for set value is not so fine.
agreed spenda.

but its deffinately what we are hoping for. ive found playing TT as an overpair back into a pre-flop agressor OOP to be a bit of a tricky spot
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:14 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I think just calling pf is fine here. Lets see a flop. With the 3 spades it s pretty standard to check it down - I can't say I wouldn't do the same. As for the turn I'm leading out - at least 1/2 pot. Same for the river IMO.
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:32 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Since no one has mentioned it yet, why aren't we betting on the river here, say 1/2 pot? are we really that worried villain is holding 9x or Jx?
This point is moot imo just because not leading the turn is such a huge mistake.

Also lol at playing TT for set odds against CO opener in the SB.
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Old 03-26-2009, 09:17 PM #10 (permalink)  
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ok so if we are flatting TT oop are be just donk betting into the CO on a low board? what about when theres an over?

how do we play the hand? c/c c/c c/f ? lol no really i think its a tough spot. even if it plays as an over there are a lot of players who will just float donk bets.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:27 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I wasn't saying that the hand can't be tricky to play but it's just funny that you would be c/f like 80% of flops with TT.

If your opponent is the type to raise a donkbet with anything, leading the flop would be the best play. If he cbets too much, c/c would be better. It all depends on your opponent's tendencies, same goes for turn and river play.
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:03 AM #12 (permalink)  
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 On this flop, with 7 outs to improve your hand (7,q or 10h)and 19 that could stop you (a,k,j,spade), I'd try to take the pot right there and donk bet it. You're ahead of a lot of people's cutoff ranges, the chances of one of them having a single spade here are far, far higher than the odds they've got a made flush. So unless you're pretty sure the CO will c-bet then you have to bet yourself. Can't let someone outdraw you for free.

Because this is a three way pot, it needs to be a pot sized bet or you'll be giving your opponents correct odds to draw to a flush. This only has to make them fold 50% of the time to be a breakeven play, and a lot of hands are folding here. If you get raised, it's gonna be a made flush or overpairs, or someone holding the ace of spades. You'd need a lot of ballas to bluff at a monotone flop without a holding, so if the CO raises you, give him props.

Please someone tell me if I'm wrong here, but I'd be PSB-ing this against a hell of a lot of opponents. Or is that a losing play?
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