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06-08-2009, 03:51 PM
Post subject: I flatted AA preflop because of SPR
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SPR stands for stack to pot ratio. It tells us that certain hands are good enough to go with post-flop. I noticed since my opponent is a semi-decent shortstack running 23/15 he will probably fold preflop to a lot of my raises. However, if he flops top pair he will never be able to let it go. This is because after calling, the SPR is 4. If he misses, I pick up a cbet. Had he been deeper, say 100BB, this wouldn't make sense to do because he won't automatically play for stacks with marginal hands post-flop.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($102.50)
MP ($110.80)
CO ($111.70)
Button ($34.50)
SB ($157.20)
Hero (BB) ($100)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
3 folds, Button bets $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) 5, Q , 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5, Hero raises to $15, Button raises to $31 (All-In), Hero calls $16
Turn: ($69.50) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($69.50) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $69.50 | Rake: $3
Results:
Button had 8, 8 (one pair, eights).
Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $66.50
This is pretty much the expected result. If I had 3b, he would have probably felted 88 anyway, but folded a hand like QJ that he would play for stacks post-flop but not preflop.
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Gnarlydude
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WP! Where did you learn about this?
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Originally Posted by Gnarlydude
WP! Where did you learn about this?
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AFchung
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if he raised from utg, would you go ahead and 3bet anyways?
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Originally Posted by AFchung
if he raised from utg, would you go ahead and 3bet anyways?
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I'd probably still flat because he might raise the same range from all positions
I don't have enough hands on him to say whether he's positionally aware or not, but the stacks sizes are really good for a flat
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Thats like a light bulb going off concept. Thanks!!
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You are an FTR station-pwn'ing badass motherf**ker. You have no pansyass, girly-girl, crybaby fears. Pwn the f**king stations like you know you ought to. And win some damn money, dammit.
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BooG690
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I wonder where Spenda is?
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That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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AFchung
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Originally Posted by BooG690
I wonder where Spenda is?
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he's going apeshit right now
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daven
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06-08-2009, 06:46 PM
Post subject: Re: I flatted AA preflop because of SPR
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[quote="iopq"] I noticed since my opponent is a semi-decent shortstack running 23/15 he will probably fold preflop to a lot of my raises. However, if he flops top pair he will never be able to let it go. If he misses, I pick up a cbet. Had he been deeper, say 100BB, this wouldn't make sense to do because he won't automatically play for stacks with marginal hands post-flop.
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nh, played good.
I have edited your post so that it makes even more sense
hint, you can ignore {acronym many of us hate} and still play the same. Hell, I would usually, but without even thinking of {acronym many of us hate}
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bigspenda73
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yea when the flop come KQx and he bet/folds come talk to me about not committing him PF
a player opens 10% of his stack, he's not folding PF
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
yea when the flop come KQx and he bet/folds come talk to me about not committing him PF
a player opens 10% of his stack, he's not folding PF
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uhh no he's not playing for stacks with 15% of his hands
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bigspenda73
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ya, probably only 11-12% by my calcs
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Just a thought.. I don't have any problems with your line really. However, if you are flatting AA in this spot, then that means you are likely never 3betting in this spot. Given villains wide range, you should be 3betting a good amount of hands that will prove not only ahead of his range, but +EV because of fold equity.
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
ya, probably only 11-12% by my calcs
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yeah he's really shoving that QJ/K9/JT in preflop
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Just a thought.. I don't have any problems with your line really. However, if you are flatting AA in this spot, then that means you are likely never 3betting in this spot. Given villains wide range, you should be 3betting a good amount of hands that will prove not only ahead of his range, but +EV because of fold equity.
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what are we 3bing to like 10BB?
even if we make it $10, if he shoves that's $24.5 to call into a $61 pot so we need only 40% equity vs. his shoving range to make a call profitable
so like what hands should we really be 3b/folding?
I'd rather flat a lot and just rape him post-flop
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revolvingiris
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Does the fact that iopq has AA really even matter?
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