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mpc2323
Old 01-28-2006, 07:17 PM     Post subject: i consider this badbeat #1 (permalink)  

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Hand #11009420-11612 at Maughold (No Limit Hold'em)
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Started at 28/Jan/06 15:05:39

rkruck is at seat 0 with $48.75.
mrfilthyrich is at seat 1 with $22.10.
KnotYou is at seat 2 with $27.35.
Milandro is at seat 3 with $65.40.
whizman is at seat 4 with $0 (sitting out).
rbrettel15 is at seat 5 with $87.05.
PocketAces3 is at seat 6 with $44.10.
hannahjeanj is at seat 7 with $45.25.
Tricky Dick77 is at seat 8 with $50.
b_rabbit is at seat 9 with $50.
The button is at seat 1.

KnotYou posts the small blind of $.25.
Milandro posts the big blind of $.50.
b_rabbit posts out of turn for $.50.

rkruck: -- --
mrfilthyrich: -- --
KnotYou: -- --
Milandro: 6s Ah
rbrettel15: -- --
PocketAces3: -- --
hannahjeanj: -- --
Tricky Dick77: -- --
b_rabbit: -- --

Pre-flop:

rbrettel15 folds. PocketAces3 folds. hannahjeanj
folds. Tricky Dick77 folds. b_rabbit checks.
rkruck calls. mrfilthyrich calls. KnotYou calls.
Milandro checks.

Flop (board: 2h Jh 4h):

KnotYou checks. Milandro bets $.75. b_rabbit folds.
rkruck folds. mrfilthyrich calls. KnotYou folds.


Turn (board: 2h Jh 4h 8h):

Milandro checks. mrfilthyrich checks.

River (board: 2h Jh 4h 8h 6h):

Milandro goes all-in for $64.15. mrfilthyrich goes
all-in for $20.85. Milandro is returned $43.30
(uncalled).



Showdown:

Milandro shows 6s Ah.
Milandro has Ah Jh 4h 8h 6h: flush, ace high.
mrfilthyrich shows 5h 3h.
mrfilthyrich has 5h 3h 2h 4h 6h: straight flush, six high.

Hand #11009420-11612 Summary:

$2.25 is raked from a pot of $45.70.
mrfilthyrich wins $43.45 with straight flush, six high.
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pgil
Old 01-28-2006, 08:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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no, you got your money in with the worst of it, if you had pushed the turn and he called, then maybe, but as played it is not a bad beat, a bad play perhaps, but not a bad beat
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:53 PM #3 (permalink)  

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/\ its only bad play because youre results oriented. I would have played that the same any day anytime.... what are the odds of him having straight flush?????
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Old 01-28-2006, 09:08 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Well, nobody can blame the guy for getting his free card..you gave it to him.
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Old 01-29-2006, 02:22 AM #5 (permalink)  
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you would have checked the turn, and then pushed the river, putting $60+ into a nothing pot?? why?? what hands can call you here. a K high flush might, but its unlikely. and if the K would call on the river, he definitely would have called on turn, which seems like the best place to get some money in the pot.
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Old 01-29-2006, 02:53 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I think the turn check was good, the best possible play, but i'd like to hear some other feedback. I think it gives the impression that you flopped a flush with low suited cards but are nervous when a turn heart appears. The best way to get a king or queen high flush to try to take the pot.
Incidentally, I just player a hand where i flopped the nut flush, player to my left makes a strong bet that I call, then pushes the blank turn. I expected a king flush but apparently he picked the wrong time to bluff with a pair of sevens. Easiest $100 ever.
Also, in the same session, I ended up folding a straight flush to a higher straight flush, which was easy and lucky too, considering i had the seven and the board was 5 8 9 10 J h. The other fellow with the nut flush wasn't so lucky.
Strange that this just happens and I read this post. I think you played the hand as well as possible, and the river push gives the impression of trying to bluff the the nut flush. Sometimes I imagine you just have to pay off straight flushes.
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Old 01-29-2006, 06:17 AM #7 (permalink)  
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looking back over the HH, I think in this situation the turn check looks like exactly what it was, a turned nut flush. I hadnt noticed how small that flop bet was, but .75 into a 2.50 pot looks like a drawing hand, not a hand that is made and could be scared of another heart, ie. TP, set, etc. then the check when the fourth flush card comes just reeks of a nut flush. meaning the only hand that can call your river push is a straight flush. now, if you had bet a regular amount on the river and he pushed over, i would say you quickly call, but the river bet seems like a really bad play.
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Old 01-29-2006, 07:21 AM #8 (permalink)  

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i wasnt getting any money on the river anyway. I pushed hoping hed play the board but it turned out he was holding the nut.
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Old 01-29-2006, 07:53 AM #9 (permalink)  
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i wasnt getting any money on the river anyway. I pushed hoping hed play the board but it turned out he was holding the nut.
Do you really think when you pushed that you would get a call from someone who was just playing the board or had a low heart? No way in hell.

Also, I don't like the way you played it, especially the river push. Pushing is definitely +EV, but if you just bet out 1/2 - full pot, you will earn more in the long run, when the K or Q high flush calls you. Also, you should bet the turn. Giving a free card does nothing for you. If villian doesn't have a hand to pay you off with on the turn, he's not paying you off on the river. You will extract more from the K or Q flush with a turn bet followed up by a river bet. You also give 2 pair and sets a chance to fill up. Bet the turn so they have to pay for that opportunity.
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