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mpc2323

08-13-2005, 03:55 AM Post subject: I bluffed with kd2d suited---please analyze my play

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PokerStars Game #2325624069: Tournament #10967024, Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/08/12 - 23:18:50 (ET)
Table '10967024 138' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: baileygc (1400 in chips)
Seat 2: JoviRulz (1950 in chips)
Seat 3: Conspiracy66 (1360 in chips)
Seat 4: mpc2323 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: UsherYarmond (1020 in chips)
Seat 6: Wags767 (1630 in chips)
Seat 7: jerzeebert (865 in chips)
Seat 8: bigdaddyrod (1200 in chips)
Seat 9: zozopo (2495 in chips)
bigdaddyrod: posts small blind 15
zozopo: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mpc2323 [Kd 2d]
baileygc: calls 30
JoviRulz: folds
Conspiracy66: folds
mpc2323: calls 30
UsherYarmond: folds
Wags767: folds
jerzeebert: folds
bigdaddyrod: calls 15
zozopo: checks
*** FLOP *** [2c Qc 9h]
bigdaddyrod: checks
zozopo: checks
baileygc: bets 90
mpc2323: raises 90 to 180
bigdaddyrod: folds
zozopo: folds
baileygc: calls 90
*** TURN *** [2c Qc 9h] [Jh]
baileygc: checks
mpc2323: bets 120
baileygc: calls 120
*** RIVER *** [2c Qc 9h Jh] [5h]
baileygc: checks
mpc2323: bets 330
baileygc: folds
mpc2323 collected 720 from pot
mpc2323: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 720 | Rake 0
Board [2c Qc 9h Jh 5h]
Seat 1: baileygc folded on the River
Seat 2: JoviRulz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Conspiracy66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: mpc2323 collected (720)
Seat 5: UsherYarmond folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Wags767 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: jerzeebert (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: bigdaddyrod (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: zozopo (big blind) folded on the Flop

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mpc2323

08-13-2005, 03:56 AM

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and please analyze this other play. I think I made a huge mistake for not calling

PokerStars Game #2325918654: Tournament #10967024, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/08/12 - 23:53:51 (ET)
Table '10967024 23' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Khan-tengry (2265 in chips)
Seat 2: bearspop (4565 in chips)
Seat 3: Mollys_Moby (1630 in chips)
Seat 4: RTR72 (10075 in chips)
Seat 5: crane3323 (4295 in chips)
Seat 6: randomcrayon (705 in chips)
Seat 7: mpc2323 (2915 in chips)
Seat 8: danielalexan (4575 in chips)
Seat 9: JokersWild11 (1270 in chips) is sitting out
Mollys_Moby: posts small blind 50
RTR72: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mpc2323 [Jh 8h]
crane3323: folds
randomcrayon: folds
mpc2323: calls 100
danielalexan: calls 100
JokersWild11: folds
Khan-tengry: folds
bearspop: folds
Mollys_Moby: folds
JokersWild11 has returned
RTR72: checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc Qh Kh]
RTR72: checks
mpc2323: bets 100
danielalexan: raises 1700 to 1800
RTR72: folds
mpc2323: folds
danielalexan collected 550 from pot
danielalexan: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 550 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Qh Kh]
Seat 1: Khan-tengry folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bearspop (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mollys_Moby (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: RTR72 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: crane3323 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: randomcrayon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mpc2323 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: danielalexan collected (550)
Seat 9: JokersWild11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

EricE

08-13-2005, 02:34 PM

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I the second one was a good fold. You don't have a completed hand and its only a 4 outer. good fold IMO

Edit: Sorry, didn't see the flush draw. Tough one. I would still fold since you have an unmade hand but calling is not terrible. It just a gamble.

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08-13-2005, 05:23 PM

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1) Because this is Beginners I'm assuming this i a small buy in tourney, don't pull moves like this too often. Too many calling stations. If you do do it you need to raise preflop. On the flop you want them to put you on AQ or KQ, with no PFR they wont believe you.

2) You have an open ended straight flush draw to a possible nut straight or first/second nut flush. For half your stack and probably all of it, its a folder.

outphase

08-13-2005, 05:50 PM

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Hand 1: The bluff would be better set up with a nice preflop raise. Also, I figure the other guy was on a busted flush draw

Hand 2: Minbetting, although half the pot, still shows weakness... your semibluff needed to be a little bit stronger. You have a ton of outs. Even against KK you have ~40%

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Irisheyes

08-14-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by outphase

Hand 2: Minbetting, although half the pot, still shows weakness... your semibluff needed to be a little bit stronger. You have a ton of outs. Even against KK you have ~40%

Do you think he should have called?

I'm just interested in your thoughts because I would have folded this.

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08-14-2005, 06:43 AM

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Hand#1: I think it is way too early in the tournament to pull a bluff like that. However if you did it bet harder on the turn. Assuming he is on a draw dont give him pot odds to call on the turn.

Hand #2: Fold preflop. After the flop its a tough decision but I would still fold

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08-14-2005, 06:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Quote:

Originally Posted by outphase

Hand 2: Minbetting, although half the pot, still shows weakness... your semibluff needed to be a little bit stronger. You have a ton of outs. Even against KK you have ~40%

Do you think he should have called?

I'm just interested in your thoughts because I would have folded this.

The fold is good, wasn't saying it was bad. I reread my post and realized that's how it came out.

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Originally Posted by lambchopdc

Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

Laeelin

08-14-2005, 08:08 AM

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Dealt to mpc2323 [Kd 2d]
mpc2323: calls 30

Biggest mistake in the hand.

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08-14-2005, 10:43 AM

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Well first of all it doesnt matter what "cards" you have to bluff. It is what cards your oppenent thinks you have. In the first hand it looks like he was after the flush and probably your king high may be good.

Raise preflop to show strength. You smooth call in bad position.

Keep on playing and post hand histories to get analyized.

08-14-2005, 01:47 PM

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Fold preflop in both hands.

No need to try to bluff early in a tournament.

Second hand is a textbook fold, nowhere near correct pot odds to make the call.

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08-16-2005, 07:11 AM

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anyone who thinks that you don't have pot odds with an open ended straight and flush draw is wrong. You have at least 40% equity here, and may have as high as 60%.
The only reason you should fold here is because you are risking all your chips. If the chip counts were reversed, I put my opponent all in.

In hand one, bet more. For a bluff to be successful, you need to put in bets your opponents won't call. About the size of the pot should be good. As it stands, it looks like you had the best hand with a pair of 2s. Be careful thinking that you are making successful bluffs, when you are really accidentally value betting. This will lead to making unsuccessful bluffs far too often.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

biondino

08-16-2005, 10:11 AM

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In the second hand you have about 15 outs (assuming he has two pair, a set or AK) with 46 potential cards to come. You haven't risked a lot of your stack but you'll be bust if you lose this hand. Fold.

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