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SuperflyPT

05-29-2008, 11:40 PM Post subject: I am the sucker

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I've been playing $25 NL for about 6k hands now. I know that's a small sample but I seem to be losing consistently enough that I'm wondering if I need to move down. I haven't posted enough to link a screenshot.

[edit: playing 6 max]

PT3 stats for 6,087 hands:
VP$IP: 17.72
PFR: 11.65
W$WSF: 42.41
WTSD: 25.41
W$SD: 46.62
AF: 3.25
AFQ: 50.30
3Bet: 4.07
Fold 3B: 49.35
A2S: 23.74
Fold BB2s: 80.75
Fold SB2S: 86.54
BB/100: -6.28

I'm taking notes, trying to get reads, I read FTR religiously, watch all the videos, and overall just enjoy studying the game. Are there any trends anyone can see that seem to be major leaks? Thanks in advance.

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05-30-2008, 12:00 AM

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Moving up from $10NL to $25NL is a big jump, at least for some players that have been grinding away at the micros for so long. That's not say there aren't a ton of fish at that level, but you should be using a few more strategic moves than before. Are you not playing as much ABC poker? 6k hands is small so maybe you are just running bad.

Sorry, I'm not one for stats so I'm sure one of the regs will give a better answer.

will641

05-30-2008, 03:26 AM

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you will get better over time, if you keep doing what your doing. its like anything, you cant just get good overnight.

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bjsaust

05-30-2008, 03:29 AM

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Looks like you're winning small pots and losing big ones.

Just playing to improve.

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05-30-2008, 03:43 AM Post subject: Re: I am the sucker

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What bjsaust said, also:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperflyPT

WTSD: 25.41 a bit too high. looks like you're paying people off a bit too much
W$SD: 46.62 see above, also, are you maybe 2nd and 3rd barreling too much?
3Bet: 4.07 I don't know how this stat is derived. Is this 3bet%?
A2S: 23.74 this could be higher, post your position stats if you can.

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05-30-2008, 03:57 AM

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SuperflyPT

05-30-2008, 07:18 AM

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Thanks for the replies. I just edited the original post - I never made it clear that I'm playing 6 max.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjsaust

Looks like you're winning small pots and losing big ones.

That seems pretty accurate. I'll build up a little bit at a time, then play a good hand (too?) hard and get knocked back down.

My position stats are:

SB:
VP$IP = 21.21, PFR = 10.56, CCPF = 0, Win% = 11.77, W$WSF = 40.34, BB/Hand = -0.24, W$SD = 41.86, WTSD = 24.43

BB:
VP$IP = 12.55, PFR = 4.59, CCPF = 0, Win% = 27.19, W$WSF = 36.91, BB/Hand = -0.17, W$SD = 41.86, WTSD = 24.38

UTG:
VP$IP = 9.72, PFR = 8.71, CCPF = 0, Win% = 6.20, W$WSF = 51.43, BB/Hand = -0.11, W$SD = 44.44, WTSD = 25.71

MP:
VP$IP = 13.04, PFR = 11.26, CCPF = 6, Win% = 8.89, W$WSF = 55.68, BB/Hand = 0.05, W$SD = 58.62, WTSD = 32.95

CO:
VP$IP = 17.62, PFR = 13.69, CCPF = 23, Win% = 11.54, W$WSF = 49.60, BB/Hand = -0.03, W$SD = 47.50, WTSD = 32.00

BTN:
VP$IP = 27.19, PFR = 19.05, CCPF = 51, Win% = 17.23, W$WSF = 44.74, BB/Hand = 0.11, W$SD = 37.84, WTSD = 19.47

I apologize for the formatting. I'm still getting to that magic number where I can post links/images. I really appreciate all the feedback thus far.

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05-30-2008, 10:30 AM

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Try closing the gap between vpip and pfr a bit to like 18/16 or something. Just stop limping and study implied odds concept to determine where you are right to call pre and where not.

Your sample is small tho, I´m sure with those stats you aren´t such a huge loser long term. Don´t let bad streaks discourage you, as will said, it will all get better over time.

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06-01-2008, 06:39 PM

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I definetely agree with XTR1000

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06-01-2008, 07:17 PM

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6$ is very little at any limit so you might not necessarily be a losing player

It seems right now like you don't have much confidence in your ability, maybe taking a couple of days off poker and doing something to clear your head could help you get big dividends when you come back

also from your stats it looks like you can't manage to fold... kick that outta ya habit, also raise more often preflop, u limp in too much

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06-02-2008, 08:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mezza Morta

Moving up from $10NL to $25NL is a big jump, at least for some players that have been grinding away at the micros for so long. That's not say there aren't a ton of fish at that level

There are more regs at 25NL (atleast on stars) but doesnt mean they are that good. There are plenty of bad players but now its a different kind of "bad" then it was on 10NL. U will still see some maniacs who just dump off chips but u gotta change ur game from 10NL and take advantage of the people still playing the same in 10NL. I noticed the big change when I moved to 25NL as well.

With that being said, think ur CC PF is a bit too much and ur not 3 betting enuff, especially in position. 11 PFR is kinda low for 6 max. Playing 3bet pots OOP is a bitch, especially if it is against players at 25NL who are not used to it.

Ur playing 21% from SB but 17% from CO. Instead of calling from SB ur better off 3betting or folding to LP raisers who mite have wide ranges. Also you def need to widen your CO range. Then again, 6k hands issss kinda small.

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