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KingLizard
Old 04-24-2006, 05:40 AM     Post subject: I am a fish ... a donk ... just not thinking #1 (permalink)  
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OK ... I made a mistake here I think.

Seat 1: Hannu_ ($83.75 in chips)
Seat 2: spenn2 ($46.80 in chips)
Seat 3: rammer87 ($56.60 in chips)
Seat 4: tsnbill ($30.00 in chips)
Seat 5: bozscags ($64.00 in chips)
Seat 6: petenorth99 ($46.00 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero [ KD,AS ] ($48.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Kolyic_10 ($38.65 in chips)
Seat 9: deucesup14 ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 10: Villain ($43.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Kolyic_10 posts blind ($0.25), deucesup14 posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
Villain calls $0.50, Hannu_ bets $3, spenn2 folds, rammer87 folds, tsnbill folds, bozscags folds, petenorth99 folds, Hero calls $3, Kolyic_10 folds, deucesup14 folds, Villain calls $2.50.

FLOP [board cards AC,8S,QC ]
Villain checks, Hannu_ bets $5, Hero bets $10, Villain folds, Hannu_ calls $5.

TURN [board cards AC,8S,QC,10D ]
Hannu_ checks, Hero bets $35.05 and is all-in, Hannu_ calls $35.05.

RIVER [board cards AC,8S,QC,10D,4S ]

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Old 04-24-2006, 06:32 AM     Post subject: Re: I am a fish ... a donk ... just not thinking #2 (permalink)  
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OK ... I made a mistake here I think.
I think you may be right.
But probably only because you mentioned it first.

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PRE-FLOP
Villain calls $0.50, Hannu_ bets $3, spenn2 folds, rammer87 folds, tsnbill folds, bozscags folds, petenorth99 folds, Hero calls $3, Kolyic_10 folds, deucesup14 folds, Villain calls $2.50.

FLOP [board cards AC,8S,QC ]
Villain checks, Hannu_ bets $5, Hero bets $10, Villain folds, Hannu_ calls $5.
What can we put Hannu on? (BTW, is there someone called Villain? Or did you use a converter that got it confused?).
Did you have any reads? Do we suspect that they'd have a good raising hand. AA, KK, QQ, maybe JJ, TT?
Otherwise AK, AQ, AJ?

If that's so I can't imagine JJ, TT or AJ being able to bet this. Plus calling your re-raise. KK is probably a fold after your re-raise.
AA, QQ, AQ all have you beaten and AK splits.

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TURN [board cards AC,8S,QC,10D ]
Hannu_ checks, Hero bets $35.05 and is all-in, Hannu_ calls $35.05.

You're going all-in here on TPTK, into someone who raised pf and bet the flop. It's possible they're just playing badly, which is effectively what you were betting on.
Although now there are more hands that have outs. If they had TT this is a problem. KK, JJ now wins on a K or a J.

Basically the bad hands got better and the better hands are still strong. In fact you cannot now beat AQ. So what does his check say?

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In hindsight it looks like a ropey push. I don't know if you'd get people playing like this with A9o, but that seems to be what you're banking on. That you're up against a fish.

What did he have KJs clubs?
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:56 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the comments Anosmic ... it was a STUPID PUSH. I am still kicking myself for not considering a "range" of hands ... I just became fixated on KK. Plain and simple ... poor play and that's why I posted it.
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:56 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the comments Anosmic ... it was a STUPID PUSH. I am still kicking myself for not considering a "range" of hands ... I just became fixated on KK. Plain and simple ... poor play and that's why I posted it.
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Old 04-24-2006, 11:05 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Yeah - your problem here is that there are too many hands he has that beat you and not enough that you beat. I put him on AQ, though AA and QQ also make sense, and AT just about if he's fishy. AK too of course. What do you beat here? KK? I just don't think he's calling your re-raise with KK - he might re-raise himself or he might fold. AJ? Only if he's a complete donk. And that's about it.
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