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stardustakos
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08-06-2009, 05:17 AM
Post subject: Huge 3 way pot with the nuts?
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kos - Greece
Posts: 210
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Hi all. Just moved up to 10 NL (thank you very much) and I got some tough competition from the beginning.
SB is giving me trouble. balance is -6$ from our encounters. He is 23/17 after 153 hands and he seems to be one step ahead at the hands he is playing to showdown, with most of the cases better kicker. UTG just entered the game and I have no history.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($28.40)
Button ($6.92)
UTG ($10)
BB ($14.35)
Hero (MP) ($17.96)
Preflop: Hero is MP with K , Q
UTG (poster) checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG (poster) calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.30) 10, J, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises $3.18, SB raises $6.08, UTG raises to $9.60 (All-In), Hero calls $6.42, SB raises to $28 (All-In), Hero calls $7.96 (All-In)
Turn: ($46.02) 3 (3 players, 3 all-in)
River: ($46.02) 5 (3 players, 3 all-in)
Total pot: $46.02
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no fucking clue, pokerstove sucks for analyzing three way pots with different stack sizes
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AdamThePirate
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Manchester
Posts: 142
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You don't have the nuts.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Take it Doyle, take it!
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Originally Posted by AdamThePirate
You don't have the nuts.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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The only mistake in this hand. You should be betting and raising here, not calling. You're way ahead of his stacking off range.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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stardustakos
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kos - Greece
Posts: 210
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by AdamThePirate
You don't have the nuts.
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I know I don't have the nuts. What I mean is that pots like that are really worth trying reading the opponent (in this case opponents) cause it is a pitty to lose the opportunity of taking a huge pot just because a luantic went all in with air. We all know it happpens.
Since I started reading all the articles here in FTP along with the "theory of poker" I improved my game, into the extend of naming hands exactly for what they are, sometimes. But some other times the opponent shows something that I havent even thought of...
I know. Work work work. read, apply then read again...
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dontezuma
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Straight
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Catchin' fishes
Posts: 116
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
The only mistake in this hand. You should be betting and raising here, not calling. You're way ahead of his stacking off range. |
Spoon,
If SB has any hand that might fold to Hero's shove here, and has very little chance of behind behind, why is the call a mistake?
Hero overshoving COULD make SB lay down a flopped str8, 2 pair, set, etc., and Hero has great equity against a low flopped flush. I don't get why he wouldn't call and get it in on any turn? (BTW, I'm assuming I'm just missing the boat, not that you're wrong)
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: IRC Chat Room
Posts: 5,406
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Originally Posted by dontezuma
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
The only mistake in this hand. You should be betting and raising here, not calling. You're way ahead of his stacking off range. |
Spoon,
If SB has any hand that might fold to Hero's shove here, and has very little chance of behind behind, why is the call a mistake?
Hero overshoving COULD make SB lay down a flopped str8, 2 pair, set, etc., and Hero has great equity against a low flopped flush. I don't get why he wouldn't call and get it in on any turn? (BTW, I'm assuming I'm just missing the boat, not that you're wrong) |
Calling does not extract enough extra value to compensate for the times we give our opponent a free card to beat us. Additionally, if that free card is a spade, we also lose value against flopped non-nut flushes that will be reluctant to put in much more money. Moreover, if we shove instead of call, I think we're actually rooting for the SB to fold sets and AsX.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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why would you leave $8 over
say the guy has a lower straight and no flush redraw
he could actually fold that turn since he's dead with no outs, but he'd call the flop shove because he has a straight
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Micro2Macro
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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One thing I'd like to point out is you mention someone is -$6 over a 150 hand sample. What good is it to know that?
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stardustakos
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kos - Greece
Posts: 210
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yes you are right it is irrelevant
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