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rowhousepd

07-07-2010, 05:30 AM Post subject: how you'd play against me based on these stats

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So let's say I'm the villain. You're sitting down at $5 NL a table w/ me. You don't know anything about how I play specifically (no specific hands noted) except for my #'s on your Hud, but you've got plenty of hands on me. (Oh btw, you're NL full ring microstakes player now -- sorry!

) So what type of player do you think I am, and how would you play against someone like me?

I guess this really is just a questions about how I'm playing in general ... which really means it's a question about why f**k am I not able to crush the micros!?! Aaaarg! Despite how it may seem, I really do have a basic grasp of the game and have even done some reading; I've read a lot of forums threads, skimmed through Harrington on Cash, and about to go through it some slowly. But for whatever reason, I'm playing like an idiot and I'm bleeding $ to fish. Help!

Anyhow, here are my numbers in your imaginary Hud. Discuss.

VP$IP: 21
PRF: 12
3Bet preflop: 4.2
Att to Steal Blinds: 35
Folded SB to Steal: 68
Folded BB to Steal: 76

CBet flop: 74
Fold to flop CBet: 62
Check-raise flop: 6.7

Total Arg Factor: 5.0
Total Arg Frequency: 57
WTSD: 18
W$SD: 41

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07-07-2010, 05:56 AM

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I wouldn't consider 21/12 at FR as having a solid basic grasp of the game.

dneureiter

07-07-2010, 05:56 AM

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WTSD: 18
W$SD: 41

went to showdown is high for fullring.. These also probably leads to your problems @ W$SD because you are taking crappy stuff to showdown; whether it's checked on river/you bluff/you call with mediocre crap.

uhm.. wat? How large is that sample these stats were drawn from.

you should win money at showdown at least 50 of the time. Either you aren't folding or your are bluffing and getting called.

JKDS

07-07-2010, 01:27 PM

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Anything we can say here isnt going to be anywhere near as helpful as you posting hands here or in irc. By doing that, you'll get immediate feedback on things that are probably huge leaks in your game.

For instance, i would guess that you're calling too many raises and limping too much based on your stats. Posting hands where you do that could get responses from people telling you why you really shouldnt be doing that.

Id also guess that youre valuebetting or bluffing incorrectly, and if you posted hands where you got to the river but lost or won a bunch then we can say things like "hrm, why did u do that? its bad because x,y,z" and then youd improve faster.

But right now, all we can say is something like "well, your a 21/12, seems like a fish to me".

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Imthenewfish

07-07-2010, 04:11 PM

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well if you want to know how I'd play against you I'd isolate the shit out of you pretty much every opportunity I got, because I think you'll bleed money post flop w/ weak holdings that I can easily get you off of. If you were on my left I would open a lot of CO's and more hijacks because I know that you won't be 3betting me light....

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07-07-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dneureiter

The WTSD isn't high for FR.

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07-07-2010, 09:06 PM

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anyone who is 20/12 in my database is marked as a fish fwiw. close the gap between vpip and pfr and you'll probably start winning more without changing too much about how you approach postflop.

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rowhousepd

07-08-2010, 03:09 AM

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Thanks for the input guys. And yes, JKDS, I know and I'm totally on board. I haven't posted much at all over the past year as I haven't really played all that much until recently, but posting hands will be a very regular thing for me going forward.

Here's some more positional info about me....

VPIP in EP: 12
in MP: 18
in LP: 26
in SB: 40
in BB: 14

PFR from EP: 9
from MP: 13
from LP: 16
from SB: 11
from BB: 5

Raise vs Steal Att: 6.6
Fold Steal to Blind Reraise: 36

Basically it looks like I need to tighten up in general and esp in the blinds, and possibly raise more often too? I can tell you that I almost never open limp. Sometimes I do in EP w/ AA or KK hoping to get raised so I can back-raise or shove. Not sure which stat would reflect that (I don't believe there's an First-in Raise stat in PokerTracker), but when I'm first to act, I'm almost always raising 3-4bb.

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Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

I guess I usually 3Bet preflop (4.2%) only if I have premium hands; I'd say AA-QQ, AK, AQs, KQs is more or less my criteria depending on my position. And it's even a little tighter for 4Betting (which, btw, I do only 3.6%). Should I 3Bet more? Do you think?

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Originally Posted by dneureiter

went to showdown is high for fullring.. These also probably leads to your problems @ W$SD because you are taking crappy stuff to showdown; whether it's checked on river/you bluff/you call with mediocre crap.

Really? It's high? Hmmm.

Recently I've tightened way up in terms of seeing the showdown after losing my mind way too often when my TP or 2P busts to one of the 2 or 3 calling stations who stick around w/ draws to the river. The W$SD is still a problem bc I think I'm still bluffing too much -- something I've read I really shouldn't do much at all at these stakes.

I like CBetting the flop (74%), but If I don't have solid pair or a good draw by the turn, I usually drop the hand; when a fish/nit raises it usually means business. Am I wrong in this approach? I guess I'm a little gun shy about double & triple barreling unless I know I'm up against a nit. After all, it's the micros.

Any thoughts?

dneureiter

07-08-2010, 06:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

The WTSD isn't high for FR.

k sry. So taking 18% of hands to river is ok or do I misunderstand this stat?

rowhousepd

07-08-2010, 07:54 AM

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Sort of. I'm showing down 18%. WTSD is, I believe, a more important stat than the % of times you just went to the river ... I think.

Either way, the problem is that I won't win 41% when I show down which is, as I was saying before, in part because I think I've been bluffing too much or just completely misread the villains who play ATC & won't fold.

FlyingSaucy

07-08-2010, 09:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

just completely misread the villains who play ATC & won't fold.

most likely this based on your descriptions above.

Also if I had to pick one word to describe the play that those stats represent it would be spewy.

NightGizmo

07-08-2010, 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

I'm not an expert on 3betting -- my 3bet% is very low, too. But I have realized recently that I need to open up my 3bet range, especially against looser opponents that have such a small continuation range.

Read this post for a great discussion on how and why you should open up your range: 3-Betting Fold Equity

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07-08-2010, 05:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

how would you play against someone like me?

......

Fold to flop CBet: 62
Check-raise flop: 6.7

i would cbet you a fart ton.

as for whoever was asking about WTSD, that stat is a percentage based on how frequently you get to showdown in hands where you saw the flop. so OP isn't getting to showdow in 18% of ALL hands because that would mean he was getting to showdown 6/7's of the time he vpip's, which would be absurd.

@op, you have the same leaks as everyone who posts stats (too loose in EP, too tight in LP, open limping, etc), so just search stats posts for discussion

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Imthenewfish

07-13-2010, 04:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rowhousepd

i guess i usually 3bet preflop (4.2%) only if i have premium hands; i'd say aa-qq, ak, aqs, kqs is more or less my criteria depending on my position. And it's even a little tighter for 4betting (which, btw, i do only 3.6%). should i 3bet more? Do you think?

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