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littleogre
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07-01-2010, 09:22 AM
Post subject: How would you play a villain with such odd stats.
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.5 pfr over 40000 hands and when he shows down he a win at showdown of 80 percent With such a low pfr that means he isn't even raising aces every time. To try and be more concise his stats look like this.
Hands on villain 40000
pfr .5
cpfr=17
W$sd=80
aggr=3.
fold to c-bet=70
c-bet=20
As far as how i play such a villain. I'm c-betting him 100 percent of the time. If he calls i'm giving up with everything except big over pairs like JJ+. I know that seems uber nitty but this dude will have a big hand when he calls a c-bet. In short i'm gonna c-bet him every time. If i face him hu in a limped pot. That would only ever happen if i'm the BB i'm gonna bet into him almost every time. I'm treating his flop calls like they are flop raises. If he raises me on any street i'm putting him on 2p+. I actually have several of these types in my db. I think the biggest thing is you really need to tighten your double and triple value betting range.
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Keith
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whats his VPIP? just looks to me like he continues when he hits the flop and folds otherwise. When he hits the flop it doesn't necessarily make him 2pair. he may call the flop with a pair and fold to further aggression, may raise TP and sets etc. But don't fall into the trap of looking at numbers when you have that many hands on a guy .......LOOK AT THE HANDS HE HAS SHOWNDOWN. they will tell you what hands he in particular is continuing with, floating with . In short you have enough hands on the guy to pretty much read him with every play he makes by observing what hes played not looking at numbers. Then when you have a read how this guy plays use that to influence your reads on guys with small numer of hands but similar stats.
With his aggression and showdown wins , easier to fold to his aggression and take money off the rest ofthe fish.
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Imthenewfish
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needs VPIP b4 i read it and seriously analyze it
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littleogre
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sorry forgot vpip will look him up again in a few.
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littleogre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_MM
whats his VPIP? just looks to me like he continues when he hits the flop and folds otherwise. When he hits the flop it doesn't necessarily make him 2pair. he may call the flop with a pair and fold to further aggression, may raise TP and sets etc. But don't fall into the trap of looking at numbers when you have that many hands on a guy .......LOOK AT THE HANDS HE HAS SHOWNDOWN. they will tell you what hands he in particular is continuing with, floating with . In short you have enough hands on the guy to pretty much read him with every play he makes by observing what hes played not looking at numbers. Then when you have a read how this guy plays use that to influence your reads on guys with small numer of hands but similar stats.
With his aggression and showdown wins , easier to fold to his aggression and take money off the rest ofthe fish.
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Isn't someone with a W$SD of 80 gonna have TP or better every time they call all 3 streets?
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littleogre
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ok his vpip is actually lower then his cpfr. It is 6.5 he has only called a pfr then called on the flop 25 times. Of those 25 times he has had air 0 times. He's had an under pair 0 times. Tp not top kicker o times TpTK 2 times.he's had 2p 1 time. Trips 0 times. A set 11 As you can see he literally never calls a flop bet with anything less then TPTK. So if he calls us on the flop we need a pretty strong range to continue?. Another strange stat he never raises the flop. I mean he literally never raises the flop. Well ok he did raise it once on a 665 board. His opponent mucked though. If he calls flop and calls turn he has a set about 58 percent of the time. The only street he has a higher raising percentage then calling percentage is the river. This is when he is calling us preflop. Have not really analyzed how he does when he is the pf aggressor.
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Keith
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use stove ......he pretty much plays PP and AK and he takes his sets all the way ....just fold to any agression without top set or better and shutdown if he calls your cbet.
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jyms
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Sit to his right and rape him when he is in the blinds. When he calls, fold after a cbet.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Sit to his right and rape him when he is in the blinds.
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just use minraise amirite
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Keith
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
just use minraise amirite
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sure , price him in to hit his set and minimise how much you win the 70% of the time that he folds to the cbet.
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spoonitnow
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Having this player in the 1-2 seats to your left is great, but having him in the seat immediately to your right isn't terrible. More walks in the blinds and position on a player who you can play damn near perfectly against post-flop when you have huge implied odds any time he enters a hand.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_MM
sure , price him in to hit his set and minimise how much you win the 70% of the time that he folds to the cbet.
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he's not getting priced in to hit his set if our range is super wide, and he leik never gets past preflop plays
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Keith
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he needs to call 1bb to hit his set and effective stacks will need to be ~20bb to make his call profitable....therefore his call is always going to be profitable for him. raise him to 4 or 5 bb and he's going to need 80-100 bb effective stacks to break even on the call.
Once he's called he's folding 70% of the time . If he calls that even if you open fold the turn you make a lot more money than min raising pre and half pot cbet
wins( 5bb pre *7 )= 35 bb or min bet is 2bb pre *7= 14bb
loses ((5bb pre +5bb cbet)*3)=30bb (2bbpre+2bb cbet)*3=12bb
net gain 35-30bb =5bb 14-12= 2bb
so you make more when you are called and cbet from raising more preflop and you're less likely to have him calling a raise with his AQ AJ KQ type hands that he wouldn't normally bother with so you can add on some more stolen blinds to the profits.
The call a preflop raise stat tends to sufggest that if this guy can see a flop cheaply with his broadway cards hes going to, and by minraiseing you are letting him do that.
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Imthenewfish
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o so thats what cpfr means
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littleogre
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You want to bet a decent amount against this guy pre flop Any money he puts in is likely to be yours on the flop.
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by littleogre
You want to bet a decent amount against this guy pre flop Any money he puts in is likely to be yours on the flop.
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it's only yours 70% of the time. 30% of the time it's his + however much you cbet
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oskar
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A really awesome way to get an idea how to play against him after the flop when he calls your c-bet, is to put his range in flopzilla or something similar - I think flopzilla has a trial period, and just see what range he continues with.
But basically he is so incredibly horrible that you could play blind against him and show a profit.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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littleogre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
A really awesome way to get an idea how to play against him after the flop when he calls your c-bet, is to put his range in flopzilla or something similar - I think flopzilla has a trial period, and just see what range he continues with.
But basically he is so incredibly horrible that you could play blind against him and show a profit.
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Thats the funny part 2nl has so many pay off wizards that this dude is actually a winning play. He never gets past the flop with out TPTK or better yet people just keep dumping money in the pot for him
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Outlaw
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How do you have 40k hands on someone?
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jyms
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you buy them in bunches of 500K
Or suck so bad you play $2NL for over a year mulitabling against the same nits
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littleogre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
you buy them in bunches of 500K
Or suck so bad you play $2NL for over a year mulitabling against the same nits
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Sorry but i'm not sure what you mean with this comment.
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Outlaw
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
you buy them in bunches of 500K
Or suck so bad you play $2NL for over a year mulitabling against the same nits
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It must be the former as I've played 400k hands at 25NL and the most hands I have on someone is 13k, and he is a ss scum that plays 24/7.
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littleogre
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Oh i get it now. I got large history files but i didn't buy them. A certain site had a free trial.
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littleogre
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of course i could also suck but i could play for 10 years and never get 40k hands on one donkey. I'm lucky if i get in 2k hands in a month.
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