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Old 12-07-2006, 08:28 PM     Post subject: How profitable is it to play against mice? #1 (permalink)  
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My definition of a mouse is a player who is passive and who likes to minibet and miniraise. A mouse may or may not be a loose caller but he/she should be quite readable.

Yesterday I sat at a NL25 table and saw some player min. bet all 3 streets with a set.

Another hand, a player in BB flopped quads with 33 on a board of 33AQJ, the action went checked through on flop, check-called a min bet from UTG who had AK and was a mouse himself, and then checked through again on the river again.

Because of their predictability mice are easily for us to avoid losing huge pots to, unlike a LAG and the associated variances that we might have deal with.

The question is, where do we rank the mice between the stations and the wild donks?
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:20 PM     Post subject: Re: How profitable is it to play against mice? #2 (permalink)  
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My definition of a mouse is a player who is passive and who likes to minibet and miniraise. A mouse may or may not be a loose caller but he/she should be quite readable.

Yesterday I sat at a NL25 table and saw some player min. bet all 3 streets with a set.

Another hand, a player in BB flopped quads with 33 on a board of 33AQJ, the action went checked through on flop, check-called a min bet from UTG who had AK and was a mouse himself, and then checked through again on the river again.

Because of their predictability mice are easily for us to avoid losing huge pots to, unlike a LAG and the associated variances that we might have deal with.

The question is, where do we rank the mice between the stations and the wild donks?
Personally i rank rocks/mice higher than stations and bad LAG's as they will slowly win small pots when they have a good hand and lose their blinds/calls when they miss. They won't win a lot but they won't lose a lot. Just note down what they like to min bet with and call when they give you 100000:1 pot odds, try spike a 1 outer and stack them.
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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they are all very profitable types, anyone who does something consistent + extreme like that is.
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Old 12-07-2006, 09:54 PM #4 (permalink)  
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People who don't know how to balance bet sizes and get value out of their hands are ATM machines.

Quite often I'll call min-bets with any 2 just to encourage this behavior.
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Seat 1: 7Sawyer19 ($207.65 in chips)
Seat 2: pnoles ($322.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Gibeoj ($99.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Fnord ($267.95 in chips)
Seat 5: milowrider1 ($57 in chips)
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7Sawyer19: posts small blind $1
pnoles: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fnord [Jd 9s]
Gibeoj: calls $2
Fnord: calls $2
milowrider1: calls $2
7Sawyer19: calls $1
pnoles: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7s 6h]
7Sawyer19: checks
pnoles: checks
Gibeoj: checks
Fnord: checks
milowrider1: checks
*** TURN *** [Kc 7s 6h] [Ah]
7Sawyer19: checks
pnoles: checks
Gibeoj: checks
Fnord: checks
milowrider1: bets $2
7Sawyer19: folds
pnoles: folds
Gibeoj: folds
Fnord: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7s 6h Ah] [3d]
Fnord: checks
milowrider1: bets $2
Fnord said, "I GOT JACK"
Fnord: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
milowrider1: shows [Ac 2s] (a pair of Aces)
Fnord: mucks hand

I stacked this guy an orbit or two later.
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Old 12-09-2006, 06:27 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 12-10-2006, 12:39 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Fnord said, "I GOT JACK"
Fnord: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
milowrider1: shows [Ac 2s] (a pair of Aces)
Fnord: mucks hand

I stacked this guy an orbit or two later.
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Old 12-10-2006, 12:33 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I see some donkey who bluff on the river betting about 1/20 of pot when they miss their flush. I think it is not a bad idea to call them down with something like queen high.

I GOT JACK. Man, that is hillarious, I bet some of your opponents just wrote in their notes: Calling station don't bluff this guy. Cheap way to establish yourself as a calling station.
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Old 12-10-2006, 02:04 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Quite often I'll call min-bets with any 2 just to encourage this behavior.
Yea I do this too. I hope they pay enough attention for it to pay off.
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How do you stack someone who only bets the minimum?
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Old 12-10-2006, 07:40 PM #11 (permalink)  
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How do you stack someone who only bets the minimum?
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this is my favourite part of the post
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:49 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 I will sometimes mistake these passive tendencies for weakness and hang myself with large bluffs. I'm working on fixing this.
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