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S1x
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04-06-2009, 07:50 AM
Post subject: How to proceed on two pair
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Two Pair
Join Date: Mar 2009
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($9.29)
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MP3 ($8.82)
CO ($9.33)
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Hero (BB) ($10.08)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , Q
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.20, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.15
Flop: ($0.42) A, K, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $0.70, Hero ???
This villain hadn't done anything too out of the ordinary yet... it had only been about 2 orbits and he played 2 or 3 hands. I thought I could get him to follow me with weaker aces or maybe KQ, but those thoughts ran off after that raise. It's possible that raise was a direct response to me raising a lot recently, or possibly even a straight, but I didn't think so.
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badgers
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4-of-a-Kind
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why did you donk flop? c/c is much better, but as played i guess call and see what he does on the turn.
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Lucothefish
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Yeah c/c the flop here, don't donk it. Against a typical nit on a wet board like this, I'd proceed with caution.
With toopurr* as a whole, I'll make a sweeping generalisation** that the dryer the board, the safer your toopurr. Of course, if met with a hefty raise then it comes back to trusty ol' reads.
* Toppurr's slightly bigger brother
**Everything is situational in poker, {a.r.h.}
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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isn't it the other way around, you can stack off with top purr when there are draws people will shove into you, but not on a dry board where you're either up against a set or two pair?
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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wtf footnotes
OP, pretty bad lead, he opened UTG in a nitty FR game, chances are the only hands that are putting more money in against a bet are hands that have you in quite some trouble. C/C'ing allows him to put more money in when behind.
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Lucothefish
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by iopq
isn't it the other way around, you can stack off with top purr when there are draws people will shove into you, but not on a dry board where you're either up against a set or two pair?
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At $5NL most drawing hands only shove when they complete from what I've seen. But yeah I know what you're talking about.
this is why poker 'rules' suck
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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tyrn
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2008
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I agree, c/c is really in order on this flop.
As played: Your donk is very small, and maybe he's just raising to see if you're serious. Though with your reads, this board probably hit his range very hard. Do you think a tight player would raise the flop with jacks or less here? If not, his raising range on the flop is something like QQ+, AJo+, which puts you at 38% equity. If we assume he's a little looser and opens KQ from UTG+1, then it looks a bit better, but still a coinflip vs his range.
When in doubt I fold. I remember this and c/c next time.
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S1x
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Two Pair
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Yeah I learned the hard way that move of mine was a mistake.
Say the hand was check/called to a moderate bet, and the turn is a low card. You check and he fires a pot sized bet. Do you stay in or give up?
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tyrn
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Straight
Join Date: Nov 2008
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You can't fold to a pot sized bet on the turn, because a lot of hands you beat are also taking this line. A pot sized bet on the turn is definitely something to spend time thinking about though, and I wouldn't raise it. At this point I'd be looking to showdown cheap. I would call turn, and if river bricked, c/c a small river bet. I think with this hand vs this villain, you're trying to keep the pot small, which may be a little frustrating OOP. Pretty tough spot imo.
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TAGurit
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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yeah the lead on the flop is bad. im definitely c/cing here and on the next streets (depending on what peels off of course). your more likely to get the best value out of this if hes the one doing the raising.
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