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chinocochino76
Old 08-17-2007, 10:02 AM     Post subject: How to play top pair with ace high kicker in this situation #1 (permalink)  

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8 handed/80 NL Hold'em live game
Stack size:
Player A: 100BB
Player B: 135 BB

Player A is under the gun with AQ off suite.
Player B raises pre flop with Pocket Kings 3 times the big blind
All fold except Player A calls

Flop comes rainbow (Q, J, 2)

(A) bets 13 times the big blind.
(B) raises all in.

Should (A) call the all in raise or fold assuming Player A has no read on Player B ?????
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Old 08-17-2007, 11:44 AM     Post subject: Re: How to play top pair with ace high kicker in this situat #2 (permalink)  
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$0.40/$0.80 NL? Interesting stakes... Where is this at? Casino (B&M) or a Home game?

Did Player A limp from UTG?? Or do you mean that he was the BB? Also, don't tell us what villian has! It can skew our recommendations based on the known outcome.

Assuming that you meant that he was the BB, here are some thoughts:
1. Live games (B&M) are 9/10 times MUCH looser than online
2. With no read, TPTK on a semi-coordinated flop isn't a horrible hand to go to the felt with.
3. Whether he calls or folds really comes down to the risk tolerance of Player A. Is this really a bankroll question in disguise?

Unfortunately you will not get a consistent answer to your question here because of different playing styles, and different tolerances to risk. So this is actually a VERY personal question that only Player A can answer for him/her self.
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Old 08-17-2007, 06:55 PM     Post subject: Re: How to play top pair with ace high kicker in this situat #3 (permalink)  

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$0.40/$0.80 NL? Interesting stakes... Where is this at? Casino (B&M) or a Home game?.
This is at a Casino (B&M). It's $80 buy in NL Hold'em with small
blind at $1 and big blind at $3.

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Did Player A limp from UTG?? Or do you mean that he was the BB? Also, don't tell us what villian has! It can skew our recommendations based on the known outcome.?.
Player A was small blind and just called the pre flop raise.


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Assuming that you meant that he was the BB, here are some thoughts:
1. Live games (B&M) are 9/10 times MUCH looser than online
2. With no read, TPTK on a semi-coordinated flop isn't a horrible hand to go to the felt with.
I was asking this question because one person at the table I was playing thought the player with top pair and kicker should have folded when re-raised to all in on the flop.

But most at the table thought he did the right move by calling the all in after the flop. Which I agreed, if I was in the same situation I would do the same although I wouldn't be jumping for joy over the call because with an all in push it probably means I'm behind in the hand and need to improve to win.
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Old 08-18-2007, 06:51 AM     Post subject: Re: How to play top pair with ace high kicker in this situat #4 (permalink)  
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But most at the table thought he did the right move by calling the all in after the flop. Which I agreed, if I was in the same situation I would do the same although I wouldn't be jumping for joy over the call because with an all in push it probably means I'm behind in the hand and need to improve to win.
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. you think it is correct to call the shove with only 16bb's invested even after admitting that you think you are behind? if you think you have 2-5 outs when someone shoves that flop then you obviously shouldn't be calling.
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Old 08-19-2007, 04:51 AM     Post subject: Re: How to play top pair with ace high kicker in this situat #5 (permalink)  

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But most at the table thought he did the right move by calling the all in after the flop. Which I agreed, if I was in the same situation I would do the same although I wouldn't be jumping for joy over the call because with an all in push it probably means I'm behind in the hand and need to improve to win.
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. you think it is correct to call the shove with only 16bb's invested even after admitting that you think you are behind? if you think you have 2-5 outs when someone shoves that flop then you obviously shouldn't be calling.
It's like when a player flops two pair and then somebody raises all in. A lot of the time the all in (when not shortstacked) already has a set or better but most people can't lay down the two pair in that situation even though they have a gut feeling they may be behind.

Same reasoning behind the top pair with ace high kicker on the flop.
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Old 08-19-2007, 05:59 AM     Post subject: Re: How to play top pair with ace high kicker in this situat #6 (permalink)  
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But most at the table thought he did the right move by calling the all in after the flop. Which I agreed, if I was in the same situation I would do the same although I wouldn't be jumping for joy over the call because with an all in push it probably means I'm behind in the hand and need to improve to win.
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. you think it is correct to call the shove with only 16bb's invested even after admitting that you think you are behind? if you think you have 2-5 outs when someone shoves that flop then you obviously shouldn't be calling.
It's like when a player flops two pair and then somebody raises all in. A lot of the time the all in (when not shortstacked) already has a set or better but most people can't lay down the two pair in that situation even though they have a gut feeling they may be behind.

Same reasoning behind the top pair with ace high kicker on the flop.
all i'm saying is that if you feel top pair is no good then don't stack off with it.
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