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Old 01-31-2006, 10:51 PM     Post subject: How much of your profit comes from KK/AA? #1 (permalink)  
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 I'm curious to hear from those who have a very large database of No limit holdem ring games in pokertracker, pokeroffice or whatever.

How much of your total profit has come from KK and AA?
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Typically you'll find that AA gets a HUGE amount more profit per hand than any other hand by an incredibly big margin (it even gets a hell of a lot more than KK).
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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In NL I have a TINY TINY db (< 10k hands)... however, without my good friend American Airlines I'd be barely above a breakeven player .
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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without AA and KK I would be winning at about 1ptBB/100. Thats from a 71k hand database, mostly full ring.
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Me too. AA/KK is about 2/3 of winrate. Thank God poker is rigged so I get AA every 50 hands.
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Old 02-01-2006, 01:28 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Getting dealt AA/KK is essentially the equivalent of stumbling upon the Smart Bomb in T2:The Arcade Game/Invincibility Star in Mario/Invincibility in Doom.

Or the desperate cute girl at a Party.Same idea.
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Old 02-01-2006, 05:47 AM #7 (permalink)  
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AA is my biggest loser, sample size 2k+ hands.
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Old 02-01-2006, 10:37 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:40 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 45%. 70k hands.
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Old 02-01-2006, 07:48 PM #10 (permalink)  
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i think i need to really have a look thru all my aa hands...

over a 58k database heres my stats:


note I do win more frequently with aa, however my BB/hand is far greater for kk. Is anything glaringly wrong? Is the sample size enough?
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Old 02-01-2006, 07:55 PM #11 (permalink)  
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i think i need to really have a look thru all my aa hands...

over a 58k database heres my stats:


note I do win more frequently with aa, however my BB/hand is far greater for kk. Is anything glaringly wrong? Is the sample size enough?
It just shows you know how to drop KK when there is A on the board and save yourself money. When you have AA its much harder to drop the hand.
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Old 02-01-2006, 09:07 PM #12 (permalink)  
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10/4 split, wow. Thought I was tight with 15/6..

Anyway, I think 5 BB/hand is reasonable long term with AA. KK maybe 2-3.

Note that KK vs AA encounters create huge variance..
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Old 02-02-2006, 04:44 AM #13 (permalink)  
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My best hands below:



Course it's the other hands that kill me lol.
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Old 02-02-2006, 10:50 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Course it's the other hands that kill me lol.
Then fold them.
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Old 02-02-2006, 02:07 PM     Post subject: AA or KK they both seem to get me in trouble #15 (permalink)  

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Lately it seems that I keep losing money with AA or KK in my hand. Everytime I have them someone bets strong and I of course call them will sometime raise them. For some reason the poker gods are making me pay for playing these cards.

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Old 02-02-2006, 02:12 PM #16 (permalink)  
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I am going to try and do some sums.

I have played roughly 15o AA hands at a BB/hand of about 7.8, and 150 KK hands at a BB/hand of about 5.2 (this is primarily at £25NL).

So, I have made £3.60 x 150 with aces, and £2.60 x 150 with kings. That makes a total of £930.

I reckon my entire NL profit is about £1200. Which means 77% of my profit comes from those two hands.

Jesus that's depressing
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:40 PM #17 (permalink)  
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I have quite a small sample size in my new db but AA is by far the biggest winner.

Noticed that my VP$IP for AA != 100% so i looked through my hands and discovered this hand:

***** Hand History for Game 361782403 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - THU JAN 26 19:43:48 EDT 2006
Table "TURBO" Rosecroft (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: voxguz ( $238.90)
Seat 2: weesteed ( $23.00)
Seat 3: Togetho ( $39.90)
Seat 4: just2eazy ( $87.05)
Seat 5: Hero ( $195.00)
weesteed posts small blind (1.00)
Togetho posts big blind (2.00)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac, As ]
just2eazy folds.
Hero folds.
voxguz calls (2.00)
weesteed bets (22.00)
weesteed is all-In.
Togetho folds.
voxguz calls (21.00)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 9d, Js ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: $46.00 | Rake: $2.00
Board: [ Kd 9d Js 5d 2s ]
voxguz balance $215.90, lost $23.00 [ 3s Ah ] [ none ]
weesteed balance $46.00, bet $23.00, collected $46.00, net +$23.00 [4c 4h] [ pair ]
Togetho balance $37.90, lost $2.00 (folded)
just2eazy balance $87.05, didn't bet (folded)
Hero balance $195.00, didn't bet (folded)
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:44 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by arkana
I have quite a small sample size in my new db but AA is by far the biggest winner.

Noticed that my VP$IP for AA != 100% so i looked through my hands and discovered this hand:

***** Hand History for Game 361782403 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - THU JAN 26 19:43:48 EDT 2006
Table "TURBO" Rosecroft (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: voxguz ( $238.90)
Seat 2: weesteed ( $23.00)
Seat 3: Togetho ( $39.90)
Seat 4: just2eazy ( $87.05)
Seat 5: Hero ( $195.00)
weesteed posts small blind (1.00)
Togetho posts big blind (2.00)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac, As ]
just2eazy folds.
Hero folds.
voxguz calls (2.00)
weesteed bets (22.00)
weesteed is all-In.
Togetho folds.
voxguz calls (21.00)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 9d, Js ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: $46.00 | Rake: $2.00
Board: [ Kd 9d Js 5d 2s ]
voxguz balance $215.90, lost $23.00 [ 3s Ah ] [ none ]
weesteed balance $46.00, bet $23.00, collected $46.00, net +$23.00 [4c 4h] [ pair ]
Togetho balance $37.90, lost $2.00 (folded)
just2eazy balance $87.05, didn't bet (folded)
Hero balance $195.00, didn't bet (folded)
wtf?
miss click?
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Old 02-02-2006, 03:47 PM #19 (permalink)  
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Either that or I timed out, dont know. It was black Aces!
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Old 02-02-2006, 05:13 PM #20 (permalink)  
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Either that or I timed out, dont know. It was black Aces!
oh
fold preflop then!
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Old 02-03-2006, 04:50 PM     Post subject: Re: AA or KK they both seem to get me in trouble #21 (permalink)  
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Lately it seems that I keep losing money with AA or KK in my hand. Everytime I have them someone bets strong and I of course call them will sometime raise them. For some reason the poker gods are making me pay for playing these cards.

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try doing more raising and less calling with these hands...
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Old 02-05-2006, 07:28 AM     Post subject: Re: How much of your profit comes from KK/AA? #22 (permalink)  
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I'm curious to hear from those who have a very large database of No limit holdem ring games in pokertracker, pokeroffice or whatever.

How much of your total profit has come from KK and AA?
I wanted to thank you for making me realize that I suck at poker and need to get better.

At the NL100 I've made $3445 and $3075 has come from AA/KK(39k hands)
At the NL200 I've made $1388 and $2365 has come from AA/KK(21.5k hands)
Through all my NL hands (95.6k hands) I have made $6807 and $6822 have come from AA/KK.

Is this a sure sign that I'm terrible?
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Old 02-05-2006, 01:50 PM     Post subject: Re: How much of your profit comes from KK/AA? #23 (permalink)  
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Through all my NL hands (95.6k hands) I have made $6807 and $6822 have come from AA/KK.

Is this a sure sign that I'm terrible?

So you are a losing player without AA/KK?

Losing overall is a possible sign that you are terrible at poker.
Making over 6 grand is not. You still might have a few leaks to plug though. You might find that Shania puts your AA/KK profits down if you start playing the other hands more profitably.
gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

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Old 02-07-2006, 01:10 PM #24 (permalink)  
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Perhaps I'm misplaying AA and KK, but my winning percentage is far higher than those posted in the PT images.

AA wins 88% (always has since I can remember), KK wins 80%.

I do win the blinds a lot, and I often push if there's a raise in front of me, or if the whole table limps. Unfortunately, when the whole table limps and I push, then get called, I lose a stupid percentage. I'm guessing like 70% (and I can't remember anyone showing AA vs my KK in this situation. AK and smaller pairs just draw out).

Anyway, I average 4.5BB/hand with AA and 4/hand with KK.
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Old 02-07-2006, 01:44 PM #25 (permalink)  
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You may be winning more % wise, but you're losing a lot of value by playing AA/KK that way.
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:40 PM #26 (permalink)  
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wow well im glad party poker doesn't give me pocket pairs over 88s anymore. i havn't seen aces in a week. ive seen kings twice. and i havnt seen queens in about 2 weeks.
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