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pokerfan
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06-18-2007, 02:00 AM
Post subject: How to maximize your winnings from loose casino 1-2 nl?
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4-of-a-Kind
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i want to learn more about the best strategy to beat these super loose casino 1-2 nl games. These games are usually loose passive or super aggressive, full of fish,donks, maniacs and idiots.  Last night when i played 1-2 nl in local cardroom ,UTG raised $15, four guys called behind  and i went all-in $230 with AA in big blind. Even so, i still had two short stack callers(JJ and QJs) and lost to crappy runner runner straight on the river.
A few hands later, some crazy guy raised $20 in middle position and i reraised to $60 with my QQ on the button and was amazed to see him call instantly. Also,we went all-in on the 9 high flop, he made two pairs on the turn with 9 6 suited
Can you guys give any tips on how to beat such loose games?? I'm totally lost and speechless at the moment.
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Pelion
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Sounds like you're playing about right. Just wait for your luck to change. Try and get as much in before the flop as you can with big hands and see plenty of cheap flops with suited / connected hands. Dont slowplay.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Pelion
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Oh one more thing. Figure out who the really passive players are and make some sick laydowns when they hit their runner runner whatever and start betting.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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pokerfan
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yeah, i play these games fairly tight, sit back and wait for a big hand most of the time . Sometimes when i couldn't get any decent cards for a long time, i just felt bored, lost both patience and discipline and started playing marginal hands  Also, i saw lots of aggressive players stack off with either top pair or good flush draw early and go broke quickly in these games. So i really think controlled aggression is the way to go with your over pairs ,TPTK or TPGK when so many people call you all the way down like crazy.
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Pelion
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In loose passive game tightening up isnt really the way to go. You certainly tighten up on bluffs and you limp stuff like 67s (rather than raise) alot more. But you love to play stuff like KT, QT, QJ for top pair.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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pokerfan
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thanks, good point
anyways i should've played many more hands against these terrible players in position just because there are tooo many actions in almost every single hand out there
sometimes offsuit 65 or45 might be worth a call on the button or CO if the price is still cheap though.
Last saturday night, i also saw 10 8 offsuit take down total $1200 in the preflop raised pot .
in that situation, AA,weak flush draw and OPESD(10,8) all went all-in huge on the flop
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Originally Posted by Pelion
In loose passive game tightening up isnt really the way to go. You certainly tighten up on bluffs and you limp stuff like 67s (rather than raise) alot more. But you love to play stuff like KT, QT, QJ for top pair.
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jackvance
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Just play more and your luck will turn around, seems like you know what to do 
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
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limp more. dont bet unless your hands are strong; then, play them VERY hard. be prepared to pull your hair out.
and, carry a HUGE bankroll. the math will catch you up to them lucky bastards. it just may take a long time.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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DemonDaze
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What are the stack sizes and rake structure?
Sydney has a 1/2 NL game, with 40bb fixed buy-in and 10% rake capped at $8. So a full buyin leaves the table every 10 capped hands, by the sounds of it most hands are capped as well.
Some players have claimed to beat this game, but could just be positive variance.
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mixchange
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in a loose game I like to see flops and stack people with strong hands
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pokerfan
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i'm living in eastern canada,only 10 minutes walking away from my local casino cardroom 
Our 1-2nl game at casino has the minimum $40 buy-in and the maximum buy-in $200 plus 10% rake capped at $4.
Actually i just had a bad luck last saturday night but these loose nl games are really the easiest and most profitable ones in the world as long as your skill is above the average and also you have the ability to keep disciplined. Currently, i spent half of my time playing at casino and another half time playing online.
thank you guys for your valuable advice
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Originally Posted by DemonDaze
What are the stack sizes and rake structure?
Sydney has a 1/2 NL game, with 40bb fixed buy-in and 10% rake capped at $8. So a full buyin leaves the table every 10 capped hands, by the sounds of it most hands are capped as well.
Some players have claimed to beat this game, but could just be positive variance.
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Lithium
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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I play games similar to this typically. $100-300 buyin NLHE, 1-2, 2-4 blinds, with generally good players but several people willing to gamble. I find that a key part of playing these games (and probably poker in general) is making pre-flop raises with raising hands, and limp as many in-position drawing hands as possible (I always try to get low suited connectors or middle connectors in for a limp).
Postflop, with a relative monster, when at all possible against gamblers, I get my money all-in as soon as possible. I don't like slow playing unless I am on the stone cold nuts or so close to it as to discount someone drawing into a better hand (quads, top set into a paired board, and nut straight or flush into a non-paired board).
If you have a decent hand, you should bet it out, and then play the feel from there. Be prepared to lay your TPTK or two pair down when you get the feeling you are beat.
You also have to be prepared to be cracked when you flop the nuts and get some gamling drawer to make a call. More often than not, your board nuts should hold up at show down. But when your top set gets beat by a nut flush, or when you nut straight gets beat by a full house, just shake your head and if pushing tilt a little, get up for a bit.
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zenbitz
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i'm living in eastern canada,only 10 minutes walking away from my local casino cardroom
Our 1-2nl game at casino has the minimum $40 buy-in and the maximum buy-in $200 plus 4% rake capped at $4. |
Wait... canadian dollars or US?
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Originally Posted by zenbitz
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i'm living in eastern canada,only 10 minutes walking away from my local casino cardroom
Our 1-2nl game at casino has the minimum $40 buy-in and the maximum buy-in $200 plus 4% rake capped at $4. |
Wait... canadian dollars or US? |
Is there a difference anymore? The exchange rate has fallen like 30-40% in the last 5 years.
I just looked on XE, the current US -> Canadian exchange rate is 1:1.06
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donkbee
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WELP
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
Sometimes when i couldn't get any decent cards for a long time, i just felt bored, lost both patience and discipline and started playing marginal hands |
When I play live, I look for people who do this and then make money off them.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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pokerfan
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sure, its canadian dollars Also, the rake is 10% not 4% ,sorry
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Originally Posted by pokerfan
i'm living in eastern canada,only 10 minutes walking away from my local casino cardroom
Our 1-2nl game at casino has the minimum $40 buy-in and the maximum buy-in $200 plus 4% rake capped at $4. |
Wait... canadian dollars or US? |
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pokerfan
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hee hee, i laid down lots of fairly good hands when i had the feeling i was beat based on some read on my opponents.
last night i played there again,some guy in early position raised to $12, i called behind with AdQd and another straightforward super tight guy called in the big blind who often slowplayed BIG PP. Flop came out like Qs6s4h. When the action came to him, he bet out $30 into the pot with huge confidence, the early raiser folded and i looked down my AQ and mucked without thinking too long. Finally, he turned over 66  .
when playing live games, we better off use poker tell and spot some easy body language more often than ever.
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Originally Posted by Lithium
If you have a decent hand, you should bet it out, and then play the feel from there. Be prepared to lay your TPTK or two pair down when you get the feeling you are beat.
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Same as any other cash game except that the players call more. The game is one to get out of once last call passes, as the game tightens up dramatically.
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Originally Posted by Pelion
Oh one more thing. Figure out who the really passive players are and make some sick laydowns when they hit their runner runner whatever and start betting.
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Usually the money isn't deep enough to do this and you would be surprised by how often loose/passive players will suddenly go GAMB00L on you. Particularly after they've been seated for over an hour.
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gop2004
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I need this advice. I'm in Vegas next week and I don't play live games very often. In fact, I've never played anything but 4/8 limit in a casino although I log at least 1k hands a week online between 10 or 25nl and SNG. Can any of you verify the relative wildness of a 200 or 400 NL game in vegas and suggest a good casino? Also, I plan to take a whack at the 8pm NL tourney at Horseshoe on Monday night. Any one played it before? I understand a lot of local regulars hit that one (which doesn't necessarily mean they're any good ).
any scouting reports appreciated. I've read the ones on this site but some are pretty dated.
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