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Old 03-30-2007, 02:43 AM     Post subject: how many limpers and probable cold callers does it take #1 (permalink)  
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 for you to not raise in position with

22
77
JJ
AJ
AK
KQ
A5s

?

i ask because i tend to play very aggressively preflop, yet lately i've been thinking that's a leak in fullring.

like if you think there's gonna be four to a flop, then raising 77, even IP, doesn't strike me as a good idea since you need a set to win most of the time. and people like to say that being in a raised pot when you hit a set is much better than a limped pot, but i think that applies to when it's really shorthanded, like HU.
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Old 03-30-2007, 04:42 AM     Post subject: Re: how many limpers and probable cold callers does it take #2 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
for you to not raise in position with

22
77
JJ
AJ
AK
KQ
A5s

?

i ask because i tend to play very aggressively preflop, yet lately i've been thinking that's a leak in fullring.

like if you think there's gonna be four to a flop, then raising 77, even IP, doesn't strike me as a good idea since you need a set to win most of the time. and people like to say that being in a raised pot when you hit a set is much better than a limped pot, but i think that applies to when it's really shorthanded, like HU.
6max im raising all these hands , in 6max you really want to punish limpers and create a loose image and most of the time your going to take down the pot with a cbet

in full ring (i havent played much in awhile) im more apt to call with a5s 77 down with about 3 limpers ...with 2 limpers i might stiil raise PP's..its alot easier 2 raise to get it all in postflop when you build big pots with PP's in position ....
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:53 AM #3 (permalink)  
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First of all, if you're going to be aggressive preflop you need to be suitably aggressive postflop, otherwise it's a leak. It's a question of balance.

JJ, AK, AJ you are not generally trying to draw to a really strong hand, but they are strong starting hands. Best played heads up, so I'm raising to whatever I think will cull out most of the callers. If a really loose passive table I will call with AJ to 3 or 4 limpers sometimes.

KQ I might call with 3 limpers, and if It will probably take a big raise to get rid of them.

A5s depends much more on the opponents post flop tightness than preflop tightness. If tight postflop I might still raise with 3 limpers.

22 If the table is loose pre and post flop it's definitely a calling hand.

77 I will probably raise if I think I will limit it to two post flop. Otherwise probably call.
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:53 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I play full-ring and raise all of these from LP no matter how many limpers and probable cold-callers there are. They're all always raise, except A5s and 22 are only sometimes, depending on opponents and my image. There are a lot of nits where I play, so a pre-flop raise + c-bet in position = $.

If you're in a game where a 4xbb+1bb/limper raise from LP still gets 4 callers, 1) congratulations and 2) you should probably limp behind with 22/77/A5s.
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