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07-06-2005, 06:43 AM
Post subject: How do you play this?
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The other day, I had roughly $600 in front of me in a $100 buy in game.
I limp in on the button with 7Ts. Five other limpers.
Flop comes out 789 two diamonds.
It checks to me. Having low pair and a straight draw I make a pot sized bet of $15. One calls. The rest folds. Seat 5 (the last to act to my bet)raises to $45. Seat 5 seems to be a pretty straight forward player post flop. Preflop, he's very passive and likes to limp with AA, KK, AK, QQ, etc.
I decide to call the extra $30. May or may not have been the right decision. Other guy folds.
Turn card is the 7 of diamonds. I have trips, but there is an obvious straight and flush out there.
He goes all in for $155. Pot is $120.
I don't believe he raises with flush draws. And he does play his overpairs very aggressively. He wouldn't raise me with a 7 unless he had two pair. Which means he has a full house now. In a limped in pot, he could play just about anything.
I was afraid that he had a straight, but why push all in when the third diamond comes out? (out of position no less) That's really curious to me.
How should I have played this hand? Do you call or fold?
Thanks.
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Greedo017
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i fold the flop i think. i don't play for this much money and it always translates weird for me, but you bet very strong and get checkraised hard, i don't see how you're ahead there. once you hit the turn, they go ai out of position. i think this is a little bit of a strange move. its almost like they're protecting something. but, there was no raising preflop and they might have anything. i think you gotta fold. if they're bad enough to limp aa/kk, they're bad enough to push a straight when a flush hits or push a flush when they hit it.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Fold preflop.
-'rilla
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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If he limps with AA and jams the pot post flop, you should call. You've got outs against and are only in trouble against the set turned boat. But if your op makes enormous overbets with his second or third nut hands, you'd have said something.
-'rilla
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
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What his bet tells me is that he has a boat after the turn. He raised the flop hard because draws were flowing all over the place. He wanted to punish TP while getting the draws out. Once he hit the boat, and the flush showed at the same time, he pushed all in hoping you hit your flush so he could rape you.
FOLD
There's too much that can beat you here. The general principle is that you don't go all in unless you can get someone to call with a worse hand. There are plenty of worse hands he can get to call holding a monster, and yours is certainly one of them.
The final straw in the decision to fold should be that your set is on bottom. If he has a house already, then you are drawing dead.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Element187
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i'd fold preflop.
you have no information about everyone elses holdings.
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Checkways
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Straight
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Fold preflop.
-'rilla
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Really? I enjoy limping in with hands like this in late postion. Is this a big mistake? Should I only RAISE with junk if I want to mix things up?
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Checkways
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Originally Posted by Element187
i'd fold preflop.
you have no information about everyone elses holdings.
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So when should I limp in in late pos? Only when I have mediocre holdings like QT or suited connectors or low pocket pairs?
I shouldn't limp in with weird holdings just to mix it up?
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Checkways
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
What his bet tells me is that he has a boat after the turn. He raised the flop hard because draws were flowing all over the place. He wanted to punish TP while getting the draws out. Once he hit the boat, and the flush showed at the same time, he pushed all in hoping you hit your flush so he could rape you.
FOLD
There's too much that can beat you here. The general principle is that you don't go all in unless you can get someone to call with a worse hand. There are plenty of worse hands he can get to call holding a monster, and yours is certainly one of them.
The final straw in the decision to fold should be that your set is on bottom. If he has a house already, then you are drawing dead.
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Yeah, I folded for the same exact reason you said - too many things beat me. But I sort of regretted it afterwards.
I think he was overplaying a big overpair. When he went all in after the turn, I was shocked and said, "Aren't you afraid I have a flush?" He looked at me shocked.
When I showed him my set of 7's and folded it, he looked even more surprised. Five minutes later he asked me why I didn't call. He then told me that he had AK diamonds for a flush. I don't believe that at all. He wouldn't raise me on the flop out of postion like that on the draw. I didn't see him do that all night.
Oh well. I still think I made the right move, even if it was a bad read. Although maybe I shouldn't have been involved in the hand anyway.
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Checkways
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Greedo017
i fold the flop i think. i don't play for this much money and it always translates weird for me, but you bet very strong and get checkraised hard, i don't see how you're ahead there. once you hit the turn, they go ai out of position. i think this is a little bit of a strange move. its almost like they're protecting something. but, there was no raising preflop and they might have anything. i think you gotta fold. if they're bad enough to limp aa/kk, they're bad enough to push a straight when a flush hits or push a flush when they hit it.
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Yeah, calling the check raise might have been bad. But damn, it's such a sexy hand with position after everyone checks to you.
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The loosest you should play is playing one-gap low cards unless it's part of a special strategy. T8 might have been OK, but not T7 because it doesn't make straights as easily.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by Checkways
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Originally Posted by Element187
i'd fold preflop.
you have no information about everyone elses holdings.
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So when should I limp in in late pos? Only when I have mediocre holdings like QT or suited connectors or low pocket pairs?
I shouldn't limp in with weird holdings just to mix it up? |
limping with suited connectors or small pocket pairs is a much better idea.
save the fancy cute play for a preflop raiser UTG when you can play heads up and out flop him... when more then 2 people are seeing the flop, you cant count on your 2 pair being best hand.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by iopq
The loosest you should play is playing one-gap low cards unless it's part of a special strategy. T8 might have been OK, but not T7 because it doesn't make straights as easily.
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2 and 3 gappers can hit double belly gutshots, which are too hard to sniff out..but at the stakes we are all playing, any straight doesnt get respect.
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"Imagine how it would be to be at the top Making cash money, Go and tour all around the world, Tell stories about all the young girls." - The Prodigy - Girls
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copa
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i agree with the fold either pre or on the flop, i think that hands like that usually cause more trouble than they are worth
and if you want to mix things up or confuse people you should be raising with that hand in my opinion. limping connotes weakness and you werent really mixing things up, but allowing them to know you had a weak hand.
however i still favor the first solution, folding
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