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stubbsy2005
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01-05-2006, 01:54 PM
Post subject: How do you deal with river river loss.
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: windoor Melbourne
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I know the whole point is to get money in when in front but have been beaten many times in last 5 days by river river catch. How do you deal with it. How do you shake it off. Every single time lately I have lost by runner runner. Be it st8's flushs, trips or whatever. Just want your psychology that rubs off in dealing with this problem which is my bain. doesn't matter if it is AA or whatever, pretty much feel guaranteed I will lose if it comes down to anything
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Think before acting, AA not always best hand, 23o not worst
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littlewashu
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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first off I know its hard but dont get pissed and blow up. Happened to me(see my post on blowing up). you have to maintain youre focus and disc now is not the time to tilt. If you find that you cant do this best thing you can do is just get up from that table or just turn youre pc off alltogether. If you play enough its going to happen and youre going to take a bad beat now and again. you might post a few hand histories and maybe the people on here can help you plug a few leaks in youre game. Maybe jamming the pot after the flop or on the turn before might keep youre opp from seeing that last card also dude.
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stubbsy2005
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: windoor Melbourne
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thanks littlewashu, will post some tomorrow when I calm down. Be interesting to see if it is me or bastards luck against me.
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Think before acting, AA not always best hand, 23o not worst
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johnny_fish
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Just make sure they pay way too much for their odds.
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EricE
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Yep, give them bad odds to chase. If they hit, then so be it. In the long run you are making money on these so just keep it up.
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bunthorne
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01-05-2006, 04:03 PM
Post subject: Re: How do you deal with river river loss.
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by stubbsy2005
I know the whole point is to get money in when in front but have been beaten many times in last 5 days by river river catch. How do you deal with it. How do you shake it off. Every single time lately I have lost by runner runner. Be it st8's flushs, trips or whatever. Just want your psychology that rubs off in dealing with this problem which is my bain. doesn't matter if it is AA or whatever, pretty much feel guaranteed I will lose if it comes down to anything
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If you are getting your money in when you have the best of it then you are not doing a lot wrong. Sounds like you are doing this and are making your opponents pay to chase draws. Sure, they get lucky now and again and a string of lucky hits or bad beats is not uncommon, but in the long run you will take the money.
Take a break if you keep on getting sucked out, and perhaps drop down the limits a bit to protect your bankroll. Whatever you do, don't start chasing draws yourself to try to recouperate - you'll only do more damage.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by stubbsy2005
thanks littlewashu, will post some tomorrow when I calm down. Be interesting to see if it is me or bastards luck against me.
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The alternative is for the 'bastards' to not put their money in when they are behind.
I don't think you have the right frame of mind to be a successful poker player. Seriously.
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BankItDrew
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I've seen players online minbet with AA on the flop, hoping to build the pot up as much as possible against 6 other players. When the river comes and there is a straight and fulsh draw on the board they will bet the hell out of it. When they loose their stack to the guy with JTo they push the caps button and go nuts.
You can win 70 -90% of the time with AA. You just have to bet with them the right way.
A simple rule for people who keep loosing with AA:
Bet more preflop and on the flop. Be cautious though if shown a lot of resistance. Don't be afraid to lay down AA on the turn on a scary board.
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bunthorne
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
I've seen players online minbet with AA on the flop, hoping to build the pot up as much as possible against 6 other players. When the river comes and there is a straight and fulsh draw on the board they will bet the hell out of it. When they loose their stack to the guy with JTo they push the caps button and go nuts.
You can win 70 -90% of the time with AA. You just have to bet with them the right way.
A simple rule for people who keep loosing with AA:
Bet more preflop and on the flop. Be cautious though if shown a lot of resistance. Don't be afraid to lay down AA on the turn on a scary board.
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I agree with BankItPayette - ideally you want one caller with AA and so you must get your money in to reduce the field preflop. Sure, you might only win a little pot, but isn't that better than losing a big one?
Anyone who plays AA slow is asking for trouble. It is good to do it once in a while in a tournament to throw the opposiiton off, but you mustn't do it too often. And if you do slowplay it, you must be prepared to lay AA down on a frightening board
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zenbitz
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Originally Posted by bunthorne
I agree with BankItPayette - ideally you want one caller with AA and so you must get your money in to reduce the field preflop. Sure, you might only win a little pot, but isn't that better than losing a big one?
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Would you rather be rich or dead?
This is a false dichotomy - even setting aside the fact that "big" and "little" here are not defined. Would you rather win $3000 chips 70% of the time (and lose $3000 the other 30%) (EV +1200) or win $1500 chips 90% of the time (EV +1200)?
In the long term it makes no difference - in the short term, the variance is smaller in the second. It obviously matters if you have 3000 chips or 300000 chips - but what if it's a choice of winning $3000 70% of the time or $1000 90% of the time??? Now you are an idiot (or have a very good reason like payout issues) if you take the 2nd bet.
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siknd
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Join Date: Sep 2005
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its like plane crashes; no one talks about the routine landings. start counting the number of times you WIN a hand. actually write it down. then compare that to that beats. youll see. you arent unlucky.
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Lukie
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Originally Posted by siknd
its like plane crashes; no one talks about the routine landings. start counting the number of times you WIN a hand. actually write it down. then compare that to that beats. youll see. you arent unlucky.
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This isn't directed at the original poster, but some people cannot or will not accept this.
Here's a rule of thumb. Anybody who complains that they aren't winning because of 'not getting cards', or getting sucked out on everytime, idiots calling with stupid cards, etc. are ALWAYS (in my experience) poor players. Nothing else.
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veryrocky
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: san jose
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as soon as youve been playing for years you will experience every type of bad beat and become accustomed to it... and from then on you will experience and see the same type of situations occur
i.e
AA cracked by KK
Your set getting ran down by a runner runner flush or straight
Your flopped straight gettin ran down by a runner runner flush or house
Your house getting rivered by a higher house.
as everyone would say.. its just apart of the game and alot of ppl cannot mentally take the swings so thats why you see alot of limit holdem players sticking to their game or some even quit poker.
i just got to agree with everyone... the only thing you can do is put your money in when you have the best hand and hope things go the way they are suppose to. poker is all about swings and the successful players understand when the swings are going bad against you, they are minimizing their losses and some even take a break from the game.
generally the best thing to do when taking a bad hit on the river or a runner runner is to leave the session and partake into something else you enjoy doing because as you know Tilt is the destroyer of all bankrolls and lives.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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Well personally I just take all my anger and frustration and redirect into a nice old fashion hard fucking of the girlfriend. Like other people mentioned, if you want to be a successful poker player then you're going to have to be able to deal with getting sucked out on. If you can't completely do it then you're at least going to have to seperate yourself from the game until you calm down and hopefully you'll be able to redirect that negative energy into something more constructive.
Don't abuse your bankroll. Buy a punching bag if you have to and abuse it instead. Thank your opponent for putting his money in while he was behind and then punish the heavy bag for the unfortunate way things turned out. Like any other type of competition, the most disciplined people are the most successful.
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edudlive
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Say "nh" and realize that their very lucky rivers are +EV for me.
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