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Old 07-24-2005, 12:01 PM     Post subject: How did I play this boat? #1 (permalink)  
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Absolute has very deep stacks, what to with a turned boat on a three-club board?

Stage #159303852: Holdem No Limit $0.10 [ 2005-07-24 07:44:54 ]
Seat 1 - LENAMALBY $9.10 in chips
Seat 2 - ALJICOS $9.15 in chips
Seat 3 - DU JIULING $5.67 in chips
Seat 4 - IFSJOBS $29.45 in chips
Seat 5 - WAHOO3 $48.80 in chips
Seat 6 - SKUNKER44 $37.66 in chips
Seat 7 - UCALLUDIE $12.75 in chips
Seat 8 - JASON0911 $24.91 in chips
Seat 9 - SANDSTORM33 $54.15 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 2] ***
DU JIULING - Post small blind $0.10
WAHOO3 - Post big blind $0.25
SANDSTORM33 - Pocket [9d,9s]
SKUNKER44 - Folds
UCALLUDIE - Calls $0.25
JASON0911 - Calls $0.25
SANDSTORM33 - Calls $0.25
LENAMALBY - Calls $0.25
ALJICOS - Calls $0.25
DU JIULING - Calls $0.15
WAHOO3 - Checks
*** FLOP [7c,Jc,9c] ***
DU JIULING - Checks
WAHOO3 - Bets $2
UCALLUDIE - Folds
JASON0911 - Folds
SANDSTORM33 - Calls $2
LENAMALBY - Folds
ALJICOS - Folds
DU JIULING - Folds
*** TURN [7c,Jc,9c,Jd] ***
WAHOO3 - Bets $5
SANDSTORM33 - Calls $5
*** RIVER [7c,Jc,9c,Jd,Qh] ***
WAHOO3 - Bets $10
SANDSTORM - ????????

What is my move, and why? No read. Please answer before looking at the results.

SANDSTORM33 - All-In(Raise) $10 to $46.90
WAHOO3 - All-In $31.55
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SANDSTORM33 - Show cards [9d,9s]
WAHOO3 - Show cards [7h,Jh]
WAHOO3 - Total ($95.85) All-In HI$95.85)Full house, jacks full of sevens [7h,Jh - P:Jh,B:Jd,B:Jc,P:7h,B:7c]
SANDSTORM33 - HI:Full house, nines full of jacks [9d,9s - P:9s,P:9d,B:9c,B:Jd,B:Jc]
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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The only hands that beat you are J7, J9, JQ and QQ. The flop bet is 1.5x the pot which is rather large. Here you must give him credit for at least TP and possibly more. But it is impossible, by the turn and flop bets to put him on the bigger boat. He could have been playing any JX hand. I think you made the right play
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Old 07-24-2005, 01:10 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Oops, maybe I should have posted this in HH, oh well.

Thanks for your answer. I was thinking a made flush here, and was looking to make a boat because of the huge implied odds if he had the nut or near-nut flush. I hit what I was looking for and saw $$$ coming my way. Should I have considered something else here and settled with a call, because of the deep stacks? (I wouldn't mind losing a buy-in here, but this is like two)

When the second J hit, I thought it was possible that he held a jack, but I didn't think he had the boat as well.

Maybe I should have re-raised the flop to see where I stand? I seem to have trouble with these 3-flush flops. Especially when I hit what I am looking for on them (TPTK, two pair, a set).
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Old 07-24-2005, 01:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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IMO, there was nothing you could've done here, I would play it just like you. A reraise on the flop wouldn't have helped. raising the flop changes nothing unless you totally jammed it, but i honestly was expecting to call raises and fear calls on that flop. after the turn there was nothing more you could do: calling the river would've been about the weakest possible play ever.

this hand was worth losing 200BB.
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Old 07-24-2005, 01:52 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Id have pushed and lost my stack.
Thats just unlucky.
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Old 07-24-2005, 01:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Greedo: You are? nh. Kinda fun to discuss big hands with the one beating you. I'll be back for those chips, you know.
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Old 07-24-2005, 02:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 i don't feel so bad anymore, you just cleaned up with those kings to get your 2 buy-ins back. if you want more money back from me come git it
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Old 07-24-2005, 07:55 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I immediately thought "all-in"
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Old 07-24-2005, 10:23 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Guess the answer is pretty clear, but one always doubts these plays when the showdowns are lost. :P

Greedo: Hehe yeah, good thing you dont' feel bad Made it back now plus some. I like the Absolute kinda-tight play compared to other sites. It really sharpens you up and prevents you from going too loose.
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Old 07-24-2005, 11:40 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I don't think you could've played this any other way. Maybe raise preflop to rat out the ugly hands like J7s.
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Old 07-25-2005, 05:26 PM #11 (permalink)  
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When you have an underset house you stay cautious on a paired board when someone is getting heavy. I would have just called here.
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:03 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Question (not questioning the play!):

Is it worth trying to raise on the turn? If he comes over top, it's time to close the shop.

I guess the only problem with this is that if he's made his flush you probably don't get paid.

btw, Greedo, I love your avatar. It is WTF personified. Where did you get it from?
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:17 PM #13 (permalink)  
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When you have an underset house you stay cautious on a paired board when someone is getting heavy. I would have just called here.
Yeah, especially since the flop came all clubs and someone bet over the size of the pot. That almost always means set or two pair because they're trying to protect their hand and find the flush.

The flush is what you're hoping they have and normally they won't speed up until the turn or river - unless they have a baby flush and trying to protect against the ace draw.

All in all though, you're destined to lose money here. Not really much of a bad play here or anything. Given similar circumstance I'd probably lose most if not all my stack here as well.
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:37 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 i don't know which strikes me as more unlikely... the fact that your boat was beaten by J7 ("WTF" indeed... ok he was BB) or the fact that the villain in your post turned out to be another FTR regular!!

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p.s. i push on the river.
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Old 07-25-2005, 10:35 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Thanks for your thoughts guys, they are appreciated.
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this is my favourite part of the post
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